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medenaywe 
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 Topic: THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGEPosted: 28-Dec-2011 at 03:37 |
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The reason is that once we had spoken the same!Sh/Shu have their meaning.Once voices were a words and words sentences.Languages we use today were modified in direction "explain same event/image/figure
with different words and destroy it's former phonetic structure".Sh=stone.Shu=wood.You choose material that you will use to make them silent of course!  Who did change language,Aliens?Edited by medenaywe - 28-Dec-2011 at 04:22 |
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Flipper
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 10:27 |
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Basically there is one "word" that is common in all languages of the world. This word is the sound of silence "sssss" (sh). The reason why everyone use this to declare "silence" is because that is the sound a baby hears (when inside its mother) when the mother calms down from a tense situation.
Isn't it amazing if you think about it? It's been 3 years before I read it so i don't remember which linguist wrote that. I'll check it out though. Edited by Flipper - 26-Jul-2006 at 10:29 |
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Aelfgifu
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This is a very precise example of the superiority complex that makes us blind to the rest of the world. You just proved the point Bulldog. Us not being unique has nothing to do with conversing with other species. Cats do not talk to birds and vice versa, so your argument is besides the point.
And for your info, I do have conversations with my cat.  Edited by Aelfgifu - 25-Jul-2006 at 13:11 |
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Bulldog
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Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 11:15 |
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Evolution is mostly a settled matter within the scientifici community.
Science is not a faith or a constant, in the post-modernist age of thinking everything must be exammined, questioned and approached from every angle, nothing stays the same in Science, new theories and discoveries are always made.
The problem with some Darwinists is that they treat it as the total truth and believe in it almost blindly as if it was a religion.
Those that dispute it usually have their creationist agendas and argue about humans descending from a very exclusive and small group (as if from Adam and Eva) and that there was an "intelligent design" somewhere along the process of natural selection (as if it was God that created us).
There is a difference between the "creatianist" theory put forward by people saying the world was created in 6 human days and the now accepted reality by most Physics specialists-proffessors... who have proven that there was a "creation", meaning there was a time when there was Nothing and no time meaning these concepts were created.
Also the latest scientific research does point to humans descending from a small group distinct to other species before us. There was a season of programs about this not too long ago on the BBC.
Human beings do suffer from a superiority complex and they believe that their species is uber the others because it is intellgent and has free will.
What is a superiority complex, how is it that we can think and create concepts and understandings to debate about "superiority complexes", if we were all the same we'd have these conversations with our cats and birds in the trees, unfortunately we cannot so this section of the argument is pointless.
Darwin and biology teach us that...
Welcome to the divinivication of Darwin...
and if no steps are taken our species will probably die away
Well luckily we have somthing called "intellegence" and have the power to do somthing about it, where-as previous life-forms didn't.
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bg_turk
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Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 10:27 |
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I must say I agree with Aelfgifu. Evolution is mostly a settled matter within the scientifici community. Those that dispute it usually have their creationist agendas and argue about humans descending from a very exclusive and small group (as if from Adam and Eva) and that there was an "intelligent design" somewhere along the process of natural selection (as if it was God that created us). The intelligent design doctrine stands no chance to pass any serious scienitific scrutinity - it is merely pseudoscience. Human beings do suffer from a superiority complex and they believe that their species is uber the others because it is intellgent and has free will. But how do we define intelligence and free will? And how do we know animals do not have free will? Historically we have comitted many similar mistakes in the sweet belief of our superiority and importance. A few hundred years ago we even thought that we were in the center of the universe and that all heaven watched us. Copernicus, Gallileo and other astronomers have shown us that we are in fact an insignificant spec of dust somewhere in the vast expanse of the universe. Darwin and biology teach us that we are just another member of the animal world, a member which by the way has multiplied way too fast over the past millenia, and if no steps are taken our species will probably die away under nature's self-regulation mechanism that have lead to the demise of so many other over-multiplying species. |
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Aarya
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Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 10:09 |
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This is what the Indian
Vedas, and indian culture resonated from the time of its existence...
But unfortuanelty religious prejudices has come in between the analysis f Indian literature categorising them as mere mythologies, even if they seem to reflect the most rationale thought... Anyway more is goig to coem out |
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Bulldog
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Posted: 24-Jul-2006 at 07:18 |
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Today science has reached the point of confirming that the universe came into being from nothing. From nothing, the universe and time were created.
There were no other types of humans like us, they were other beings but they didn't share alot in common with us well our most important features, this powerfull brain which even today we cannot fully harness to its optimum power.
Our brains are the same size since the time of our first direct ancestors. They had civillizations which were more advanced then certain countries and tribes today.
Seen as though the first humans had our brains maybe they also had a language, one language to communicate with each other. Science today cannot tell us but maybe in the future it could.
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 24-Jul-2006 at 04:48 |
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nope, we are just natures little freak accident...
Anyway, the present day version of evolutio theory does not claim we decend from the apes, it claims that we and the apes have a common ancestor. Its not the same. We also know that various other human species, like neandertal, at one time coinhabited the world with homo sapiens. We are just the only ones to survive, the rest went the way of the dodo.
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Bulldog
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 14:18 |
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I'm not claiming the Biblical account is what "actually" happened, neither is the "Darwin" theory "actually" what happened.
Other Holy books give different accounts anyway, it would be good to read them aswell.
And if you think humans are "thinking, changing, advancing", think again.
100 years ago we had no Internet, today we do, that was caused by "thinking, changing and advancing" wouldn't you agree
 Why is it arrogance to think humans are unique? to even think if we are or not unique to debate about this matter and to have contrasting viewpoints is unique.
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 09:08 |
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Indeed Paul, I totally agree.
Bulldog, perhaps you should do some reading on the matter of evolution before discarding it. I did read the Bible before discarding it, so you could return the favor...
And your ideas on evolution and psychology are about a hundred years behind. It is plain stupid arrogance to think humans could be unique. And if you think humans are "thinking, changing, advancing", think again. If there is one thing one can learn from history, it is that humankind stubbornly refuses to learn from history...
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Paul
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 08:49 |
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If we are all descended from these Ape creatures and they were spread around the world "allready" that means we humans are not equal, were not the same and are actually different species, this whole idea is racist. How could we have all became the same humans if we were spread around the Earth and exposed to totally different environments and situations and so could not have developed at the same rate or same manner. This idea is flawed if it is argued we humans are all equal and one.
Human evolutionary theory doesn't say this.
Not reading the theory or knowing anything about it bar the name. Making up yourself something you think it should say and then proclaiming what you made up is wrong doesn't exactly put the theory of evolution in any danger itself.
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Bulldog
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 07:59 |
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If there is one thing humans are not, it is unique. Of course cats can not surf the internet, thats plain stupid. You must look on a more general scale. Animals can communicate: even cretures as little as bees have an complicated means of communicaton where the good stuff is to be found.
Ofcourse Humans are totally unique, a bee will still be a bee doing what bees do today in ten thousand years, communicating in the same way, not thinking, changing, advancing.
There is no other species which is creative and inventive like humans were totally unique.
Look even having the ability to sit here and debate wether were unique or not is unique, can two birds sit here and debate like this?
Animals can use tools. Not only apes, birds like crows can learn to use twigs or rocks to get to food, so again, not unique to humankind.
There are lots of animals which can recognise themselves in the mirror, Again not only apes or monkeys but birds as well, so self-conciousness is not unique to humans either.
The early apes used a sharp stone for hundreds of thousands of years they never devoloped at all, they did not have the intellegence to realise or do anything new.
The whole idea that these ape creatures are supposed to be our ancestors is absolutely ridiculous and has never been conclusively proven for it to be accepted.
If we are all descended from these Ape creatures and they were spread around the world "allready" that means we humans are not equal, were not the same and are actually different species, this whole idea is racist. How could we have all became the same humans if we were spread around the Earth and exposed to totally different environments and situations and so could not have developed at the same rate or same manner. This idea is flawed if it is argued we humans are all equal and one.
This is why I say we must have had one original language as were all from the human race. A unique creation totally different to anything else.
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 05:42 |
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I'm not making any argument against free will... Bulldog stated that humans are the only beings with free will. What I meant is that there is still some debate going about how much free will humans have. I believe in free will, but there are people who believe in destiny or fate, which exclude free will to some degree.
Apart from that, having a free will is in my opinion not a exclusively human trait. |
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Aelfgifu
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If there is one thing humans are not, it is unique. Of course cats can not surf the internet, thats plain stupid. You must look on a more general scale. Animals can communicate: even cretures as little as bees have an complicated means of communicaton where the good stuff is to be found.
Animals can use tools. Not only apes, birds like crows can learn to use twigs or rocks to get to food, so again, not unique to humankind.
There are lots of animals which can recognise themselves in the mirror, Again not only apes or monkeys but birds as well, so self-conciousness is not unique to humans either.
Nor is having a will of its own strictly human. If I call our cat to come over and be stroked, sometimes she comes at once and sometimes she just looks and turns away. She has a very strong will of her own.
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Paul
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Posted: 22-Jul-2006 at 18:44 |
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Do you have evidence to show every single brain measurement taken on early human skulls by paleontoligists and museums across the world is wrong and your statement is correct?
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Bulldog
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Posted: 22-Jul-2006 at 15:43 |
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Almost any being on this planet can communicate, create and do whatever it likes....bad argument. There are extremely few things a human can do which animals cant do at all, we just took it a bit further.
Sorry but I have to disagree.
Can Cats, Dogs and Monkeys surf the internet, find AllEmpires forum and begin to qustion who they are, what they're doing or what their purpose is?
This is such an unbelievably enormous miraculous difference which seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom, were totally unique and different.
As we totally differ and are a unique creation we must have had an initial language. We are all human and have one ancestor who began this race, this initial group had to have had a language to communicate in because their brain is the same brain that we have today.
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Zagros
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Posted: 22-Jul-2006 at 14:35 |
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Well done you.
I can tell you that the source of all modern human languages is that of the San Bushmen, look it up.
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Akolouthos
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I don't quite understand what particular argument you are making against free-will--or indeed if you are making such an argument at all. Care to elaborate?
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 22-Jul-2006 at 07:54 |
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there is no other beings like us who can communicate, create and have this free will like we have.
Almost any being on this planet can communicate, create and do whatever it likes....bad argument. There are extremely few things a human can do which animals cant do at all, we just took it a bit further. The basics are there in nature.
edit - besides, this free will of humans is still a bit of an argument isnt it? got proof? Edited by Aelfgifu - 22-Jul-2006 at 07:55 |
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Bulldog
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Posted: 22-Jul-2006 at 07:43 |
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Actually hominids share everything in common with early humans and every hominid from homo-erectus onwards had a large brain and intelligence.
Not so, these being for hundreds of thousands of years had no more intellegence than a monkey, they could do the most basic of tasks but did not have human intellegence. They had no language.
Humans are totally unique, there is no other beings like us who can communicate, create and have this free will like we have.
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