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okamido 
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 Topic: For those who love SpartaPosted: 28-Aug-2011 at 16:34 |
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bluepheonixs
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Posted: 11-Jun-2005 at 22:21 |
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The Spartans are the best soldiers to walk the face of this Earth!
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Vini,Vidi,Vinci
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GENERAL PARMENION
Knight 
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Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 19:32 |
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THE BATTLE OF THERMOPYLAE |
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"There is no doubt, that Macedonians were Greeks."
(Robin Lane Fox "Historian-Author" In Interview with newspaper TO BHMA) |
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Menippos
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 08:29 |
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And Leonidas was not alone with his 300 Spartans, as many people were heard saying.
There were a couple of thousand others, from the surrounding areas as well as from further afar, who either stayed with the Spartans to fight or held various strategic positions at the surrounding highs. Nevertheless, many fled, many were overwhelmed early in the battles, many were forgotten and some really fought. The fact is that in the end there were only the Spartans left fighting, who indeed were only 300, and they would stand there for much longer had they not been betrayed by a local who saw an opportunity of profit in this situation. However, it was indeed a deed of excessive courage and let us not forget that someone in the greek army, when told that the Persians would shoot so many arrows that they would cover the sun, he replied with the equivalent of "cool, we'll be fighting in the shade!". That's what I call defiance... |
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CARRY NOTHING
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Menippos
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 07:58 |
I prefer this translation of mine: Yo, dude, tell them Lacedaemonians that we're buried here, 'cuz that's what they told us to do. 
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CARRY NOTHING
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Menippos
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 07:57 |
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CARRY NOTHING
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vulkan02
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 01:49 |
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the english language has a way in making new names for everything
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Istor the Macedonian
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 17:41 |
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Archidamos, for his speech before the Peloponnesian war starting.
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Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek! |
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conon394
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Posted: 05-Apr-2005 at 10:44 |
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The Greek root for Sparta/Spartains was used quite often (Sparte). The name of the Sparta was Sparta, Laconia and its derivations describe the region. The following link should connect to the LSJ entry at Perseus for Sparte. Note Max Inst for Greek Prose/Poetry/Texts. Edited by conon394 |
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Mythos_Ruler
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Posted: 05-Apr-2005 at 05:11 |
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I too have a scan of that very nice map. Here's is a cropped section:
 Laconia = the province in which their city resided. Lacedaemon = The city of Sparta. Lacedaemonia = the land owned (lived in/conquered)by the Lacedaemons (Spartans). However, I don't believe there is any evidence of the word "Sparta" or "Spartans" in ancient texts. If this is correct, where did this term come from? If there is evidence, anyone with a cite? Edited by Mythos_Ruler |
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Guests
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Posted: 04-Feb-2005 at 13:06 |
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Agis IV. Young, nave, foolishly idealistic? Absolutely! Still, Agis IV, deserves praise for his efforts at land reforms that would have led to greater levels of economic equality in Sparti. After all a competent leader should not be measured only by his "warrior" skills! |
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Temujin
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Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 14:47 |
one source will suffice any day if the source is true. |
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Yiannis
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Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 05:10 |
Not a discrace, but in any case it's not proper for me, a Samian, to inform you of your place In any case, the term "county" (eparchia) is not really used, it's mostly administrational, so you're excused! Here you go: http://www.gtp.gr/LocPage.asp?id=9695
In Greek: |
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
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Hellinas
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Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 03:42 |
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Yiannis
>> Just for the record, the present-day prefecture of Lakonia includes a county named "Lacedemonia"<< Originally from Mani even though it's been some years since I've last been there, I've never heard of this "county" where exacttly is this? Yeah I know I'm a disgrace. Anyway, in support of Temujin's Lakonia, all we need to do is look up : Strabo, Geography Book VIII (11) However, I am overstepping the bounds of moderation in recounting the numerous stories told about a country the most of which is now deserted. In fact, Lakonia too is now short of population as compared with its large population in olden times, for outside of Sparta the remaining towns are only about thirty in number, whereas in olden times it was called, they say, 'the country of the hundred cities'; and it was on this account, they say, that they held annual festivals in which one hundred cattle were sacrificed.Edited by Hellinas |
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vagabond
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Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 03:10 |
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Thanks everyone - didn't mean to start another Pelloponesian War just by asking a question. From what I have seen - I can infer that any reference in ancient literature to a Lakedemonian (or a Laconian) that I see would probably refer to a Spartan citizen as Helots (and/or Messenians) would have been specifically referred to as such if they were referred to at all? I don't want to go too far off topic as by now everyone may have forgotten poor Leonidas and Lycergus altogether. |
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Yiannis
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Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 02:39 |
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Just for the record, the present-day prefecture of Lakonia includes a county named "Lacedemonia". (ok, not posted as proof but just as trivia...)
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
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Lannes
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 16:24 |
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Got any more maps or sources that would agree with you? |
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τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι;
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Temujin
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 13:08 |
well, the original province of Sparta was called Lakonia, and the combined provinces of Lakonia and Messenia were then called Lakedaimonia. that has no political reasons, just geographical. and furthermore, ancient Makedonia had a province called Mygdonia... |
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Yiannis
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 02:24 |
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Not that it really does matter, but let's think about it rationally (and forget about the map): Since the Spartans had the Messenians occupied and used them as slaves, why would they be called Lacedemonians if that determination included the slaves as well?
Some links with intersting info on the Spartan society: http://www.anti-rev.org/textes/VidalNaquet92b/part-1.html http://www.angelfire.com/empire2/cornersofhistory/greecespar ta.htm |
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
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Temujin
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Posted: 17-Jan-2005 at 14:04 |
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what about this map?
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