Should turkey be allowed into the EU?

The paranoikos strikes again 

This is exactly what I mean, Greeks think they can hijack Europe and use it as a platform to attack Turkey because their too cowardly to do it openly and upfront.

Quite frankly if Greece can be allowed into Europe than so can Turkey.

Greek culture and lifestyle does not resemble what we consider as European, they don't share a common musical tradition, royal family tradition, cultural traits, artistic traits.

In reality they're Christian Easterners more precisely Turks even though they'll probobly take this as some kind of insult its the reality. If they converted to Islam they could fit in alot better in the Middle East than in Europe. I've been to Greece and they have been really affected and influenced by the Turks wether they accept it or not.

Originally posted by bg_turk It becomes clear by every day that unless the EU stops supporting the absolutist demands of the Greek Cypriot administration to represent the whole island, while completely ignoring the Turkish Cypriots, the Turkey EU train will crash over Cyprus ... and Turkey better start preparing and bracing herself for the economic reprecussions from now.

"cypriot Greek administration"
What is this?
I only know "Republic of Cyprus" ,recognized by the United Nations.

ps:As for my "modest comments about my nationality",can u mention me where do u disagree ?
Plz try to speak with arguments than silly desperate yellings and easy funny accusations for nationalism.

 

So you are making a clear difference between White European immigrants and non-White non-European immigrants? You are making a difference between those who "anglicized" their name and those who don't?

 

Originally posted by machine     Theres nothing special about diversity by your terms. Im sure many Aussies can back me up on that one. Most Aussies couldnt care less about other peoples cultures.

 

Don't speak for other Aussies. Just speak for yourself.

 

Originally posted by machine   I like certain aspects of diversity, but other aspects i dont like.

 

Like what?

 

Originally posted by machine     Where the line should be drawn=Australia stays 90% Aussie.

 

What do you mean by "90% Aussie"? You mean 90% WHITE Australian?

 

Originally posted by machine   Yeh stop the right wing bullsh*t. I dont have a political ideology. Im for anything that works, where the goverments care for their own people and give them considerable amounts of freedom.

 

 

Maybe you don't know you have an ideology because you don't know enough about anything. You are actually the poster boy for this so-called "right wing bullsh*t" that you pretend you don't care about. You should actually do a little more investigation and find a group like that to join. You will be surprised how much you feel at home there.  

 

 

Originally posted by machine I love how people always mention Hitler and right wing ideologies when i have said nothing that could be considered as hatred. Damn you people cant help yourselves, without Hitler your arguments would be useless.

 

WHO mentioned Hitler????? I certainly did not.

 

Edited by flyingzone - 12-Jun-2006 at 13:37

Originally posted by flyingzone Originally posted by machine   Declining birth rates is a problem that should be handled aswell.     Propose a solution if you could.   Ban abortions, its that simple lol.   Originally posted by machine   Its not that i hate immigrants or anything like that.     Many people also say that, and there is always a "but" after that statement ... The line of demarcation between being frustrated with the situation with immigrants and being xenophobic/racist can be very murky sometimes.   Who cares. I know im not racist.   Originally posted by machine In 30 years time what will Australia be????     More diverse and more multiethnic. That's the inevitable trend especially in countries that are founded on and by immigrants, like Canada, New Zealand, the United States, and Australia. I hope you don't have a problem with that.   Whats the benefits though??? Australia was settled mainly by English, Poles, Italians, Germans, Dutch, Irish  in the early years. Alot of them early settlers were made or freely anglicised their names. They were also colonists. More to the point they became Australians. Mass immigration creates xenophobia and racism, the one thing your all for can end up working against you. Funny sh*t that.   Theres nothing special about diversity by your terms. Im sure many Aussies can back me up on that one. Most Aussies couldnt care less about other peoples cultures. I like certain aspects of diversity, but other aspects i dont like.   America is going have a Mexican majority within the next two decades, whats to love about that????       Originally posted by machine   Im just saying you have to draw the line somewhere thats all.     You have to be more specific about WHERE to draw the line and HOW the line should be drawn. Without any concrete proposals, your statements sound simply like slogans of some extreme right-wing parties.   Where the line should be drawn=Australia stays 90% Aussie.   Yeh stop the right wing bullsh*t. I dont have a political ideology. Im for anything that works, where the goverments care for their own people and give them considerable amounts of freedom.       Originally posted by machine   Where do i live, mmm does that matter??? Where are your from??? Im guessing Sydney.     Don't forget you asked Micro5bei whether he's Asian or not.   And...........................    I love how people always mention Hitler and right wing ideologies when i have said nothing that could be considered as hatred. Damn you people cant help yourselves, without Hitler your arguments would be useless.

Edited by machine - 12-Jun-2006 at 11:33

Originally posted by Digenis Why not? Greece geographically belongs in Europe. Greek civilization is the basis of European civilization. Modern Greek state is a real democracy. My education is based on european ideals. Greece is a member of EU the last 25 years. On the other hand u are dreaming silly phantastic pan-turanism bulsh*t, and if u decide to follow the european dream tell me to give u as a present a nice pair of binoculars...u ll definately need them!

Digenis, as always you are so modest of your nationality, and so lovely and kind and flattering towards us Turks...

Actually to some extent I agree with you about the fact that Turkey should not enter the EU.
I am being increasingly convinced in the advantages of privileged partnership. It would relieve Europe from most of its Islamophobic fears about the Muslim immigration wave from Turkey, while still keeping intact the undisputable economic advantages for both the EU and Turkey, and most importantly it will relieve Turkey of the political costs of EU membership such as yielding more concessions in Cyprus and in the Aegean.

I always believed in the merits of EU membership where Turkey would be respected as an equal candidate like all others, but maybe neither the EU nor Turkey are prepared for this relationship. Angela Merkel might have been right in proposing privileged partnership.



Edited by bg_turk - 12-Jun-2006 at 09:50

Originally posted by Digenis Cyprus is inhabited by Greeks the last 3000 years. Greek civilization is tha basis of european culture. And after all Cyprus is an island,we can consider it whatever we want-Eurpean,Asian,African

cyprus wasnt inhabited last 3000 by greeks csaki

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Originally posted by Digenis Originally posted by bleda europe is a `malaka `i think Watch your language boy. How would u feel if someone told "Turkey is an asshole"? Its obvious you dont feel European.

you feel european

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Machine, just wondering, where abouts do you live? Europe and Australia have to accept migrants, its not a matter of choice. We both have declining birth rates and the effect of rejecting migrants is population decline and economic stagnation.

Originally posted by barish Originally posted by Digenis Turkey is simply NOT Europe. What is Europe?

Definitions of Europe:
-the Caroligian Empire
-Christian Europe
-West of the Urals and North of the mediterrainian

Eastern Europe:
-The area conqurered by either Turkey or Russia

I actually think that Europe is an area that is bounded by Turkey and Russia. They define the boundaries of Europe. However if Cyprus is in Europe then Turkey definietly is. Even Lebanon should be in Europe if Cyprus is.