Georgia's Armenians under attack

by the way turkey should protest against the use of its flag by this whatever brigade ... if things continue like this soon they will start associating it with the nazi swastika.

Originally posted by bg_turk This is awlays a problem but minorities simply have to learn to deal with it. The study of Armenian should be certainly encouraged, but all should be obliged to know Georgian so that the state can function as one integral unit. .........Asking that Armenian be made the official language for a part of Georgia is simply equivalent to a form of seperatism.

i think your missing the point, firstly the article is mentioning the moving of outsiders into the region, secondly the language issue is for the older inhabitants and thirdly its about the overal poverty in that area.

Do you have any idea how difficult it can be for a poor 40 yr (and older) man who needs to provide for their families today, and ontop has to learn a new language? and you simply ask for patiance? i wonder in all that poverty and imported crime how they have any excuses for not attending and paying for language classes.

BG_Turk, no matter whats put infront of you, you become a paraniod excuser/accuser.....

....with Armenian sepratist and meddling russians im suprised you havent blamed the greeks yet! But since your second guessing all of these to fit into your own personal assumtions and bias to this issue, im sure you will also stick with 'democratic' georgia being the victim here too.




Edited by Leonidas - 19-May-2006 at 23:19

The problem is that for about 80 years of the region being under Georgian SSR the Georgian Communist government has failed to integrate the Armenian society. Note that the language spoken everywhere was Russian, thus the Armenians did not really need to learn Georgian. The Georgian local government had to help those people learn Georgian, which they have failed even though the ample amount of time given.

Moreover, it has removed the only job supply in the region, the Russian military base. Promises were made that jobs would be given to those who have lost them, none were fulfilled.

"what would satisfy you mamikon? what do you want georgia to do? maybe seal the region of to turks so that they cannot enter? should the fact that armenians live there preculde turks from settling there - after all is the region not part of their own country too?"

There is  difference between individuals immigrating to the region (...even though its awfully poor) and between inserting through artifical means a thousands of people. Even if these thousand people were of other ethnicity than Turks you still would create animosity between the local population and the newcomers. But you are moving Turks...no offense but I believe most of those people dislike Turks. This would definitely a small scale war in the region, unless the Georgian government sends troops to suppress one group, which would lead to a large scale and yipeee....

I want the Georgian government to stop forced population movement, stop all promises and actually develop the region. If they cant develop ther region, if the people have to continue living in poverty, then they dont deserve to rule the region, and an autonomy is necessary.


Edited by mamikon - 20-May-2006 at 10:39

Originally posted by bg_turk Poverty cannot be justification for seperatism. Armenians in Georgia face no persecution or discrimination, they cannot ask for seperation or autonomy from Georgia.

     Sometimes being ignored and left in poverty is worse than discrimination. Its basically discrimination without any effort. I'm not saying they should separate, I'm just saying in some instances its basically the same thing.

Originally posted by bg_turk How is it forced? Do the turks who are "forced" to move there complain about the Georgian government?

     Its forced because if they were to immigrate there, they'd do it on their own instead of through a pre-planned government program...

     What a way to make the Armenians of Georgia feel part of the country...their whole region is ignored while the Georgian government prioritizes its spending on a group of people who have never even been to Georgia 

     And its funny how they only decided to do this when the Armenians started complaining about their region being left behind....

Originally posted by mamikon If they cant develop ther region, if the people have to continue living in poverty, then they dont deserve to rule the region, and an autonomy is necessary.

     You know, it only gets funnier, when they created the Abkhazian autonomous district, Abkhazians formed only 18% of the population (Kartvelians were 45% in Abkhazia...these numbers are from the 1989 census btw). When they created the South Ossetian autonomous district, Ossetians were 66% of the population. Armenians form a 95% majority in their district, and not only do they not have any autonomy, they are thrown in the back-seat. Plus, now that theres more people being moved into the district, there are more people hence less resources-per-person.