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    Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 07:52
thanks for the picture of the Greek F-16 Hellios.but i have already seen a Greek F-16 while i was in Gallipoli anakkale :)
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 07:58
Originally posted by Hellios

Tor-M1:
 
Each unit is independent or can be linked to a wider air defense system.
It carries 8 missiles, stored vertically, in 2 cartridges of 4.
Each missile has 4 extra (frontal) thrusters, allowing it to intercept small, fast, highly maneuverable targets.
 
Great Video, top system.

These thing can be either integrated or autonomous. I would imagine a few are protecting the bigger and more expensive S-300PMU-1, Cyprus has 5 systems to compensate it from not getting the s-300.

I'll add some technical information from some sources i found.

The missile (9M331)
Max range 12km
Ceiling 6km
Min range 100m
Can maneuver 30g
Maximum target speed 2520 kph
 

The fire control
At the top is he surveillance radar (Scrum Half) is a 3D pulse Doppler electronically beam steered E/F-band,  has a range of 25km can detect 48 and track ten automatically prioritized targets based on appraoch - proximity and category, the operator then confirms this.

"The phased-array pulse Doppler G/H-band tracking radar (Scrum Half) is located at the front of the turret also has a range of 25km. This electronically steered radar is capable of simultaneously tracking two targets traveling at speeds of up to 700 km/h in all weather conditions, and countering threat ECM operations. The antenna assembly can be folded down for travel." Source

This tracking radar can also target High presicion weapons and is very resistant to jamming.
"Mounted on the top of the radar is a small vertical pointing antenna which serves to initially acquire the missile after launch before it is handed over to the main tracking/guidance system. On the lower right side of the tracking radar is an automatic TV tracking system with a range of 20000 m that complements the tracking radar and enables the system to operate in a heavy ECM environment." Source
 

How does it compare to the western systems?
Greece also has the crotale which is an older Franco-German missile more in the same league as the Russian 'Osa' which Greece also has in service. The Tor-M1 is a generation ahead.

"This version was analogous in capability to the French Crotale, but with double the range, and three times the range of the proposed British Rapier-2000 system. It was capable of firing multiple missiles against multiple targets simultaneously while using a single-channel guidance system that exploited unique algorithms that even made the system capable against surface targets such as trucks or automobiles." Source

"In combating manned aviation, Tor is thrice and 1.5 times more efficient than foreign systems of the same class - France's Crotale and Britain's Rapier, respectively. These systems are unable to combat high-precision weapons." Source
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 17:07
Originally posted by Hellios

PzH 2000:
 
 
Some PzH 2000 artillery regiments have Saint Barbara on their units:
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 17:36
Greek C-130H with EUFOR.
 
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 18:00
Originally posted by Hellios

Sperwer-A:
 
Sperwer-B:
 
Sperwer-HV:
 
 
Almost forgot the Pegasos.
 
Pegasos II:
   
 
Pegasos I:


Edited by Hellios - 10-Mar-2007 at 06:52
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  Quote Patrinos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 18:11
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 19:31
Originally posted by Patrinos

^Whats this Hellie?
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 20:56
Originally posted by Silvershield

 
 
 
Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 is fully multi-role & currently the most advanced Mirage.
 
This 1 looks so clean, like it hasn't been used yet, even the landing gear spotless:


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 21:11
Patrinos, is it normal in Greece to be walking and see Δ.Υ.Κ. appear from the sea?
 
 
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 23:02
Batu, these troops are training with M4A1 carbines.
 
 
Δ.Υ.Κ. with M4A1 (with SOPMOD):
 
SOPMOD:


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jan-2007 at 02:36
Originally posted by Hellios

Leopard 2A6 HEL tank made by ELBO.
 
 
 
 
After above, comes the following (older) tanks below, also made by ELBO.
 
Leopard 2A4:
 
Leopard 1A5:
 
Leopard 1A4:


Edited by Hellios - 25-Jan-2007 at 19:30
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  Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jan-2007 at 05:00
Helios, the last 2 years they're replacing the G3A3 & G3A4 with the M16A2 & M16A2M4, which are inferior by the way.
As for the G36, it's probably going to be used by the special forces, if it's going to be used at all.
 
 
 
 


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  Quote Gundamor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jan-2007 at 20:28
Originally posted by Giannis

Helios, the last 2 years they're replacing the G3A3 & G3A4 with the M16A2 & M16A2M4, which are inferior by the way.
As for the G36, it's probably used by the special forces.
 
didnt they order 112,000 G36's as part of 250 million euro 30 year package? your special ops units prefer the m4 probably because it has better CQC capabilities and can handle water ops better than most assault rifles.


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  Quote Neoptolemos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 01:04
Originally posted by Hellios

Is Greece still using the Eurofighter?  It's a decent fighter.
 
 

The typhoon is not just decent, it's a top fighter but expensive...
I expect Greece to place an order for about 40 of them in a couple of years.

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AH-64A+: 
Is it still the best attack helicopter or not?

Apache is considered to be the best attack heli; the AH-64D Longbow in particular, which is the upgraded version of AH-64A.

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When Greek & Turkish pilots get into mock dog-fights over the Aegean, how exactly does it work?
What are the unwritten rules of the game?
How do they determine who wins?
In many HAF recordings of mock dog-fights I hear the name "George".  Just coincidence or is he a top gun?

Well, the one who locks the other should be considered the winner and the dogfight should end there, but it's not always happening like this. I've seen videos where a lock occurs and the fight goes on...
Regarding George, I don't know if he's a top gun (since he is a HAF pilot he's probably a top gun Tongue), but you probably hear his name often b/c George is a very common name in Greece.

Originally posted by Hellios

This 1 looks so clean, like it hasn't been used yet, even the landing gear spotless:
 

It is so clean exactly because it hasn't been used yet. Wink
I read some news that the problems with those Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 have been solved and they will be fully operational very soon.
Mirage Mk2 + Mica + Exocet + Scalp EG. Evil%20Smile
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 03:01
More navy commandos.
 
 
The soldier below is using a M821A long range heavy sniper rifle.
 
 
 
 


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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 03:15
Δ.Υ.Κ. buggy.
 
 
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 03:24
Originally posted by Leonidas

The HAF ordered 12 (options for 3 more) of these Italian Alenia C-27J Spartans. These a great little transports and are compatible to the Hercs because Lockheed was a partner in its development.

 
 
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 11:13
What's this?
 
 
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  Quote xristar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 12:32
The G36 is supposed to become the next main rifle of the army. The decision has actually been taken, but seems there are some problems. Nonetheless, the funds are included in the last 2006-2010 plan, which means that at some time, the production (100% by Greece, for the first time) will begin.

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