Bulgarian participation in WW 1

Originally posted by Krum It was not a superpower but it was stronger than greece and serbia together.It was a fact.We lost thanks to stupid politicians and bad allies.How we like to say we won most of the battles but lost most of the wars.

From 1878 Bulgaria participated in the following conflicts:
Serbo-Bulgarian war-result victory;
First Balkan war-result victory;
Second Balkan war-result defeat;
WWI-result defeat;
WWII-result victory;
So the overall result is 3:2 :)
Or maybe you already counting the Iraq adventure for a defeat?
And no, i don't think that Ferdinand was a bad politician, he was quite good, but German .

    
   

Edited by Desperado - 03-Nov-2006 at 11:36

Originally posted by Krum .That was the reason why Bulgaria attack serbia.And we had right to take more lands because most of these territories were inhabite mostly by bulgarians.It was our right(I am talking about Macedonia).And you support a country which violeted the previous agreement,so you violeted it too. I want to say that the reason for Second Balkan war was Macedonia,not our relationships with Greece.So that argue is a little bit unnessesary.

There are no eternal allies, there are eternal interests.
After WW2 we managed to reclaim from the lost in WW1/The Second Balkan war territories atleast South Dobruja, if not South Thrace and Macedonia.

Originally posted by Spartakus Right?Bulgarian population was the main motive�/ tool for Bulgaria's expansion and military propaganda,not right.

It's just the same to say that the Turkish-Greek conflict (1919-1923) was a failed futile attempt of Greece for military expansion in which the Greek population was the motive/tool.
    

It's just the same to say that the Turkish-Greek conflict (1919-1923) was a failed futile attempt of Greece for military expansion in which the Greek population was the motive/tool.

Two superpowers, megacountries, military gigants Greece and Bulgaria in a friendly discussion try to reveal which megasuperpower is more megasuper  

Originally posted by Krum Originally posted by konstantinius .Also, Bulgaria was the big winner of the First Balkan War expanding the most in territory; then the others teamed up on her  to restore balance, so to speak. Yes you teamed up because you and Serbia were too weak to face Bulgaria and you greedy wanted territories that was rightfully ours.In that time Bulgaria was more powerful and of course the weak will unite to remove the strong.Now it is different.But lets not discuss anymore Balkan wars.It is only a subject that cause hostility and a quarrel between all us.

Also we surpassed Greece and Serbia not only in military.At the times before the first Balkan War(1911) and WW 2(1939) Bulgaria's living standard was on the 6-th place in Europe and first on the Balkans.During the mandate of Konstantin Stoilov Bulgarian economy surpassed greek and serbian taken both.Even when Greece and Serbia were freed ealier.
 


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 04-Nov-2006 at 12:25

Originally posted by Spartakus Half of Europe was under NATO surveillance.US troops were positioned in Germany,France,Italy ,UK .Eastern Europe was integrated in the Communist Block ,they became satellites of the USSR while the last�Soviet troops left the area in 1991. Who said they left?They were always there.

Yes, they had a lot of bases, strong military presence however almost all of the territories that were under their control during the war were not added to their national territory but remained property of their pre-war owners.
Austria, Chechoslovakia, all of Poland,all of Hungary etc. were occupied by the Soviet Union during the war but after that didn't become a part of its territory. During the WW2 the Bulgarian forces reached Austria, so unless there are no independant countries of Jugoslavia and Hungary which were partly under Bulgarian control we cannot claim victory?
Your logic is faulty. If you want somehow to question the bulgarian contrybution to WW2 victory, the best way is to mention that most of the war Bulgaria was allied to the Axis but not to invent a new criteria of who's the winner according to wartime occupied territory.

No, we were not defeated in the Balkan warS. Only in the second one.

Edited by Desperado - 04-Nov-2006 at 12:46

Originally posted by Spartakus Where you defeated or not both in Balkan Wars and WWI?Yes.The rest are BS.

In the same fashion i can say:
Weren't you crushed at Thermopylae?The rest doesn't matter.

The odds are the same-outnumbered.(like us in second balkan war)

It seems that your ego is hurt simply because you didnt win that wars,others won them for you.

About WW2 Bulgaria should be considered a winner.We fought only against axis.Everything else was defence(allies air raids).And we won territories(south Dobrudja)