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Topic: Countries contributions to European civilisation Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 11:04 |
In a rash act of supreme subjectivity, I decide to compose a ranking of European nations that, throughout history, have graced the 'ultimate' civilisation of the known world. There are 7 ranks and in each rank, the more important contributors are followed by the lesser ones:
1st: Greece, Italy, France, Germany. (Decisive)
2nd: England, Russia, Spain, Autria, Poland. (Significant)
3rd: Portugal, The Netherland, Sweden, Hungary, Czech-Bohemia, Ireland, Denmark. (Important)
4th: Scotland, Swizerland, Ukraina, Lithuania. (Quite important)
5th: Belgium, Norway, Finland, Romania, Slovakia, Serbia, Bulgary, Armenia, Croatia, Albania. (Somewhat important)
6th: Luxembourg, Cyprus, Geogia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Latvia, Malta, Bosnia, Estonia, Wales. (Diversity is fun)
7th: Monaco, Liechstentein, San Marino, Turkey, Andora. (Excuse me???)
Did I forget anyone?
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 11:18 |
Dont under-estimate the Ottoman-Turks' contrubution to european civilization, and the modern turks contributions.. If those are the turks you're talking about they shouldn't be in 7.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 12:31 |
I agree the turks are very important for Europe, I think is decisive
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 12:32 |
Not benefic but important
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 12:48 |
You should also stick England in the top rank. In terms of historical impact, they are tough to beat. Turkey should be in the 3rd or even 2nd rank.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 13:04 |
Originally posted by Lohendrin
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Yup . The Vatican State, which I personally think should be in the 1st rank.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 13:28 |
England and Scotland should be just Great Britain and be put at the top.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 13:47 |
I'll give stars
***** England, Germany, Italy, France
**** Spain, Greece, Russia
*** Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Turkey
** Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Czechia/Bohemia, Hungary, Vatican/Papal State
* Norway, Scotland, Belgium, Switzerland, Iceland, Finland, Ireland, Wales, Serbia, Croatia, Ukraine
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 14:07 |
Exactly what Turkey contributed for civilization in general?
England Germany and France being on the top is simply a joke as well.
Many of the countries which contributed to what we call call European Civilization havent been from Europe either.
Europe wouldn't be Europe without the influence of the
Carthaginians,populations of Asia Minor,Egypt, Persia,Chinese,
Indians,Arabs, and those are just few.
Midle Eastern Civilizations existed when Europeans,especialy the
Northern & Western one's, where still in the caves with the bears.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 14:19 |
perhaps. But western civilization did not end to develop after the end of the Classical Antiquity.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 14:36 |
I believe that it does not really whether a country contributed more or less.What it really matters is that it contributed,with it's own way.Europe is like a puzzle,so the smaller piece has the same significance with the great ones.Without it,you cannot finish it.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 14:41 |
The Roman Empire and Christianity both have had a major impact on W. European civilization.
Turkey??? show some good sources and I will be open. I know the Turks absorbed a lot from the Byaantine culture and I do not doubt they had some cultural influences.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 14:43 |
Originally posted by Justice
Exactly what Turkey contributed for<span style="font-weight: bold;"> civilization</span> in general?
England Germany and France being on the top is simply a joke as well.
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And exactly how have for example Greece have had more influence than France and Germany? The modern Europe is founded on French legal codes, French and English ideas of the enlightenment and French, English and German technology. Germany dominated the technological development from the late 19th century up to WWII (look where the Nobel prizes used to end up). I'd say that France and Germany have had a far larger hand in the foundation of Europe than Greece have had.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:00 |
where still in the caves with the bears. |
Wouldn't the bears have eaten them?
But wait, they typicly didn't live in caves at that time, ah, that explains it.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:01 |
You cannot compare the Hellenic influence with influences concerning technology,because were really Hellens and the Hellenic civilization contributed was in the human spirit and arts.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:03 |
Originally posted by Spartakus
You cannot compare the Hellenic influence with influences concerning technology,because were reallyHellens and the Hellenic civilization contributed was in the human spirit and arts. |
Then how on earth can you dismiss the English, French and Germans when this was about influence and contributions in comparison to the Greeks, if you "cannot compare" them?
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:04 |
And science. Many cornerstones of Greek science remained accepted
knowledge right up to the rennasaice and enlightenment, even when they
were wrong, of course the stuff that was right is still with us, as
well as the linguistic influence.
Thats a long lasting and cumalative influence.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:07 |
There is a small difference in the your meaning of my words.I said you cannot compare spirit influence with technology influence,it more proper to compare with the German,French,English SPIRITUAL influence.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:12 |
Ah, so philosophy, theology, maybe the odd reformation or two?
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 15:17 |
I must admit i did not cautch the last one.
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