Roman/Greek Ethnicy and Physical Traits

 

I am sorry I just found the y-haplogroups of Greece, but not those of mtDNA.

There is 32% E1b1b, 31% R1b, 14% J2, 12% R1a, 11% I2a.

 

I am not a DNA professional, I just looked for some literature. That is what I found.

As you can see, we have two Haplogroup trees. A male Y one and a female mtDNA one. Both are for sake not identically. Both have a problem with fixing exact dates.

Y-DNA:

In Africa we have A, BT, B and CT. Only the people with CT left Africa with success. But I donT know when. I would suppose it was short before the first glacial maximum from 75 to 70k. Around that time the  CT group was divided into an east-african-arabian branch and an western/southern asian branch, which inhabited later East Asia, Australia and America. The in west Asia remaining population began to migrate since about 46k again. From south asian they reached SE-Asia E-Asia and Australia again. In the west they pushed the Neanderthalers backwards. The T-Group even went into Africa. The NOP groups were still living in Western and Southern Asia. From here they went to Europe before the last glacial maximum. Others moved to Asia and Amerika. During the glacial, perhaps during the gravettien the IJ-group came to Europe.

 

MtDNA:

This types evolved in Africa as well. we have three groups as well in South, Central- and Eastafrica.  The oldest dates back to 174-107k (compare with Y-DNA group A). Perhaps we can compare L3 with the y-dna CT from 104-80k in East Africa. This was dvided in M (compare with Y-DNA C) and N (perhaps like Y-DNA F). M evolved about 60k. N moved to West Asia and from there different groups came to the East (A), to Europe (I) and Africa (X, like Y-DNA T).  A daughter-group of N is R, which stayed in Western and South Asia but from there people went to thEast-, Sotheast Asia and Australia and america around 50k (Haplogroups B,F,U). U is very common from Europe till India.The group HV went to Europe before the last glacial maximum (see Y-DNA NOP) and was pushed then to the Iberian peninsula (V) and the Balkan (H). The J-group existed in the Orient and Nothafrica and spread in the mediterranian area.

 

So at least at the end of the ice age we havd the most if not all Haplogroup already in Europe. So every attempt to identify them with Slaves, Vikings, Pashtuni or others is nonsense.

 

If I come back now to the Greek population, than we see, that Haplogroups can't help us to identify any /pre-historical/historical invasion after the ice age. we can suppose, that E1b1b and J2 and I2a are very old in Greek and that the R types came later with the Indoeuropeans but there is no need to.

 

"Sklave" is a German word for slave. Similarity with english "slave" is obvious. As I know word for Slavic on modern German is something like "Slawen". It`s so hard to find connection between greek work "Sklavenoi"- one of the interpretations to the self-given name by Slavs and german word. Germans took much more words in Medieval period from Latin language then Greek. Influence of Latin because of the Catholic church was much stronger. There is possibility "Sklave" to be old -german word about Slavs, but I don`t know.

 

It is interesting.

 

Saqaliba became to arabic from persian language. It`s clear. BTW 90 % of so called "arabic" civilization is a persian product. Persons from Persia dominate in all sphere of knowledge during Caliphate period and latter.

I think the same applies to Germans. The name for the whole group was probably external in origin as well. I don't think Visigoths or Franks thought of themselves as "Germanic" tribes.

 

 

"Some Medieval authors used the ethnonym "Vandals" applying it to Slavic peoples: Wends, Lusatians or Poles"

 

 

 

 

In the case of homer we don't really know if all Greeks called themselves danaoi, achaioi or argeioi, because he is speaking of an ancient time, nearly 500 years before himself.

the name hellenes for all greeks appeared for the first time in the beginning of the 6th century. The name was originally the name of an epirotic tribe. The dodonic cult of Zeus and the delphic oracle made the hellenic name famous among all greeks, so that they used it as a term for themselves. epirotes and makedonians, as well as Molosser were excluded from the hellenes-term.

As I said above, Graikoi or better graeci is the Roman term for Greeks.

It is the same with Ionioi. This term was used by persians and others because the Ionians were sitting close to them in Little asia. So it was probably never a term all greeks used for themselves.