The future of Karabakh

Originally posted by Datuna [ You're right Chargemaster. Mostly those who speak about nombers they're Disgusting, as well as one "Great" georgian said- 'Death of one man is tragedy, but of million-statistics".

Originally posted by mamikon if the Armenians' intent had really been Genocide you would have Azeri deaths in hundreds of thousands not 613..

ho ho, how convenient to just cite the 613 and totall ignore the rest, the civilian death toll for Azerbaijan is in the tens of thousands.
Most of those Turks that passed were murdered in cold blood - scalping, cutting of penises, etc are all reported by human rights organizations, that I quoted before, but you haven't read anything.

The Armenian intent in Karabakh and its surrounding territories was to clean the from Azeri Turks, and they have succeeded in doing that.

what books have you read about the conlfict?

In none of them...even in the pro-Azeri, "Azerbaijani Diary" there is no mention of tens of thousands of dead Azeri civlians. What nonsense is this...

There's smth about Armenians in conflict regions.

Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by Datuna There's smth about Armenians in conflict regions.    " Bagramian" battalion which gained its fame as most murderous battalion in Abkhazian civil war, became shameful image of Armenian chauvinism and hate toward Georgians and Georgia. The refugee Armenians, who found cozy shelter in Georgia ( Tbilisi, Lower Kartli and Samtskhe-Javakheti ) during the Russian Tzarism and then during the sovietization of Georgia, inspired by the imperial Russia's covered or obvious protection and help undertook the shameful anti Georgian acts of terror in Abkhazia and expansion dreaming about the restoration of " The Great Armenia" between the black and Caspian seas at the expense and ravishment of Georgian territories. For this reason the chauvinist Armenian groups must ones forever give up unreasonable claims on the Georgian land and culture. great now we have georgians getting the boot in. This quote is off topic and clearly flamatory Georgian propangada that doesnt belong  in this already sensative thread

Edited by Datuna - 06-Sep-2006 at 06:33

Edited by Yiannis - 06-Sep-2006 at 07:16

Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by Datuna Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by Datuna There's smth about Armenians in conflict regions.    " Bagramian" battalion which gained its fame as most murderous battalion in Abkhazian civil war, became shameful image of Armenian chauvinism and hate toward Georgians and Georgia. The refugee Armenians, who found cozy shelter in Georgia ( Tbilisi, Lower Kartli and Samtskhe-Javakheti ) during the Russian Tzarism and then during the sovietization of Georgia, inspired by the imperial Russia's covered or obvious protection and help undertook the shameful anti Georgian acts of terror in Abkhazia and expansion dreaming about the restoration of " The Great Armenia" between the black and Caspian seas at the expense and ravishment of Georgian territories. For this reason the chauvinist Armenian groups must ones forever give up unreasonable claims on the Georgian land and culture. great now we have georgians getting the boot in. This quote is off topic and clearly flamatory Georgian propangada that doesnt belong  in this already sensative thread   I was thinking about underlining that was linked to georgia as well, although there is a link wich is very interesting, but then i changed my mind thinking there cant be any bastards loathing Georgia unreasonably, but i was wrong, haven't had counted u. watch your mouth delete these posts please

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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival      Also, when you use pogroms to get rid of minority populations like Azerbaijan did to the Armenians, that population has a right to defend itself. You have repeatedly called this self-defense a breach of "international law". Utter nonsense.

Armenia got rid of as many as 200,000 Azeri Turks within her territories. Where was their right to defend themselves?

Self-defense does not involve ethnic cleansing and scorch earth policies against the indigenous population, and that is precisely why your alleged "self-defense", which I would rather call an agressive invasion and land grab, is against international law, and precisely why the cessionist entity remains unrecognized, and will remain unrecognized and in breach of international law until the day when every single refugee unjustly expelled from their land return to their rightfully owned homes!

Originally posted by bg_turk Armenia got rid of as many as 200,000 Azeri Turks within her territories. Where was their right to defend themselves?

     I never said it would be wrong for Azeris to take up arms against Armenians if in fact they were being kicked out of their homes. They had every right to do so, but the reality is they didn't do it, while the Armenians punished the Azeri authority severely for their mistake. Also, how are those refugees supposed to return to Armenia when Azerbaijan refuses to open the border?

     And you never addressed what right Azerbaijan had in taking those provinces in the first place. Armenia's territorial integrity can be trampled on while Azerbaijan's has to be fully respected, just because some legal document says so? Legality doesn't always equate to justice.

Originally posted by bg_turk Self-defense does not involve ethnic cleansing and scorch earth policies against the indigenous population, and that is precisely why your alleged "self-defense", which I would rather call an agressive invasion and land grab, is against international law, and precisely why the cessionist entity remains unrecognized, and will remain unrecognized and in breach of international law until the day when every single refugee unjustly expelled from their land return to their rightfully owned homes!

     You call it land-grabbing, I call it justice (except for the expulsion of natives which Azerbaijan is also equally responsible for and initiated in 1988). Azerbaijan had no right to the land except for a Soviet annexation policy. All the subsequent international rights they had acquired for Karabakh were thus irrelevant. Also, as me and mamikon have said, the Azeris are guilty of everything they accuse the Armenians of. Does that mean the international community should not recognize Azerbaijan as well?

Originally posted by DayI I hope also you are aware that Armenia (nachcivan and many other city's) had a major Muslim population, also even before WW1...

     And I'm sure you're aware that except for modern Armenia and Georgia, which are tiny, all surrounding lands (including Nakhichevan) are populated exclusively by Muslims.


Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 06-Sep-2006 at 17:32