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Topic: Female rulers Posted: 15-Feb-2009 at 11:50 |
Didn't know that before.
I thought women had no political powers at all in ancient Greece.
In Korea, there were three queens who held power.
Queen Seon-deok, Queen Jin-deok, Queen Jin-seong.
All three of them were the queens in the ancient Korean nation of 'Silla'.
In ancient Korea, women were treated almost equal to men. Polygamy was illigal(though king had alot of wives), and women had a strong voice.
Some king's wives were even widows or divoriced women, which is really shocking in today Koreans' point of view.
Women's rights decreased sharply after a group called 'Sarim' rose to power in Korea after late 16th century.
They were strict followers of Sung Confucianism, one of the teachings of Confucianism, and one of the basis of this teaching was '男尊女卑'(nam-jeon-yeo-bi = men are superior than women).
'Sarim' amplified this teaching of '男尊女卑' and the women's power started to decrease ever since.
(Think I got out of the topic;;)
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Posted: 07-Feb-2009 at 13:53 |
Queen Anne - there was a rhyme about her at the time which went
"She sometimes counsel took
And sometimes tea."
I don't think her contemporaries were too impressed with her.
By Victoria's time, the political situation in England had changed. Elizabeth was much more of a direct ruler than Victoria because she could be. Victoria had to work through Parliament, hence her close associations with her Prime Ministers. Elizabeth didn't even have a prime minister - the post wasn't invented until the beginning of the 18thC (Walpole was the first recognisable prime minister as we understand it today).
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Posted: 16-Aug-2008 at 15:40 |
In the UK the standout female ruler before modern times was to be Elizabeth I she ran the country in her own way, was never a pupet (she refused to marry) and although like all monarch she had advisers such as buhrley and ceil on whom she relied for advise she still very much ran the country.
prioir to this there was her sister mary who once again connot be described as a pupet she ruthlessly pursued the reintroduction of what she bleived to be the true faith (catholisism) and purseued against many powrful mens wishes her marrige to philip of spain (moreover he left england soon after them arrige so thieri s no argument that he controlled her)
Moreover i disagree the Victoria was a mere figure head Elizabeth II yes but victoria often made forrays into policts had close relationships with her prime ministers i.e. disreli and it is prehaps the role of the monarch despite sex by the period rather than her being female which give the suggestion that she was a puppet but i dont bleive this to be the case.
there was also a queen anne who co ruled england with her husband but i know almost nothing about her.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2008 at 14:00 |
In that case, the book may have exaggerated it because the Nubian queen we meet is described more as obese than "thick". Of course what they considered obese and we consider it may have been very different.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2008 at 08:55 |
Originally posted by Mythica
Yeah I'm currently reading a historical fiction on Cleopatra VII and in it, they talk about how Nubia is typically ruled by Queens. It also talks about how the Queens were expected to be overweight because her physical size was associated with her power - I don't know how true that is though, I could not find any info on it. |
Yes indeed, these Nubian Queens ruled what is now Ethiopia, Sudan, and parts of Egypt, and many of them are depicted as being slightly overweight, or in modern terms "thick", as a sign of absolute power.
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Posted: 14-Aug-2008 at 11:44 |
Yeah I'm currently reading a historical fiction on Cleopatra VII and in it, they talk about how Nubia is typically ruled by Queens. It also talks about how the Queens were expected to be overweight because her physical size was associated with her power - I don't know how true that is though, I could not find any info on it.
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Posted: 14-Aug-2008 at 09:54 |
I recently discovered that the kingdoms of Nubia had more ruling Queens(Queens who ruled by themselves) than any other civilization in history.
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Posted: 11-May-2006 at 19:27 |
Originally posted by bleda
hurrem wasnt greek origin she was russians |
then it whasnt Hurrem, sorry cant remember her name.
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hurrem wasnt greek origin she was russians
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Posted: 11-May-2006 at 18:27 |
the Ottomans had a female ruler too, it whas iirc her name Hurrem Sultan, she ruled trough his husband first then later through her sons. She had a great influence in the Ottomans, also a detail she whas from Greek origin
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Posted: 21-Jan-2006 at 15:47 |
During Byzantine period the women rulers we had were empress Zoi, empress Theodora and Irene the Athenian.
Greece had no other women rulers before or after the Byzantine era.
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In Sweden there were a 2 female rulers which the people of Sweden counts are real rulers. There were many other queens but they did not govern the country.:
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Christina of Sweden
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Christina (Kristina) (December 8, 1626 April 19, 1689), later known as Maria Christina Alexandra and sometimes Count Dohna, was Queen regnant of Sweden from 1632 to 1654. She was the only legitimate child of King Gustav II Adolf. As the heiress presumptive she succeeded her father to the throne of Sweden upon his death at the Battle of Ltzen (November 6, 1632) during Sweden's intervention in Germany in the Thirty Years' War.
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Early life
Christina was born in Stockholm and the birth occurred during a rare astrological conjunction that fueled great speculation on what influence the child, fervently hoped to be a boy, would have later on the world stage. Reportedly she was so hairy and large that the midwives in fact prematurely called out that a boy had been born [1]. Her gender identity was never clear cut. She was educated in the manner typical of men, and frequently wore men's clothes (such as dresses with short skirts, stockings and shoes with high heels - all these features being useful when not riding pillion). This has caused her to later become an icon of the transgendered community. During the 20th century, her grave was opened so that her death mask could be examined. While the grave was open, a team of scientists examined her bones in an attempt to determine if she was intersexual, but they were not able to come to a clear conclusion.
Queen Christina's mother, Maria Eleonora of Brandenburg, came from the Hohenzollern family. She was a woman of quite distraught temperament, and her attempts to bestow guilt on Christina for her difficult birth, or just the horror story itself, may have prejudiced Christina against the prospect of having to produce a heir to the throne.
Her father gave orders that Christina should be brought up as a prince. Even as a child she displayed a precociousness that astonished the brilliant philosopher Descartes, who had been invited from France to tutor her.
Queen regnant
(N.B. all Swedish Monarchs are styled King. Kung denoting Monarch Regnant, Drottning denoting Queen Consort.)
The Crown of Sweden was inherited in the family of Vasa, and from Charles IX's time excluding those Vasa princes who had been traitors or descend from deposed monarchs. Gustav Adolph's younger brother had died years ago, and therefore there were only females left. Despite of the fact that there were living female lines descended from elder sons of Gustav I Vasa, Christina was the heiress presumptive.
National policy was directed during the first half of Christina's reign by her guardian, regent and adviser Axel Oxenstierna, chancellor to her father and until her majority in 1644 the principal member of the governing regency council. As ruler, Christina resisted demands from the other estates (clergy, burgesses and peasants) in the Riksdag of the Estates of 1650 for the reduction of tax-exempt noble landholdings.
Abdication
Christina came under the influence of Catholics and then abdicated her throne on June 5, 1654 in favour of her cousin Charles Gustavus in order to either practice openly her previously secret Catholicism, or to accept the same publicly so as to be at the center of a scientific and artistic renaissance.
The sincerity of her conversion has been disputed. Actually, in the eyes of her critics, there were many causes which might ostensibly have predisposed her to what was, after all, anything but an act of self-renunciation. First of all she could not have ignored the increasing discontent with her arbitrary and wasteful ways. Within ten years she had created 17 counts, 46 barons and 428 lesser nobles; to provide these new peers with adequate appanages, she had sold or mortgaged crown property representing an annual income of 1,200,000 riksdaler. There were clear signs that Christina was growing weary of the cares of what remained a provincial government; even if with large conquered territory.
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The importunity of the senate and Riksdag on the question of her marriage was a constant source of irritation. In retirement she could devote herself wholly to art and science, and the opportunity of astonishing the world by the unique spectacle of a great queen, in the prime of life, voluntarily resigning her crown, strongly appealed to her vivid imagination. It is certain that towards the end of her reign she behaved as if she were determined to do everything in her power to make herself as little missed as possible. From 1651 there was a notable change in her behaviour. She cast away every regard for the feelings and prejudices of her people. She ostentatiously exhibited her contempt for the Protestant religion. Her foreign policy was flighty to the verge of foolishness. She contemplated an alliance with Spain, a state quite outside the orbit of Sweden's influence, the first fruits of which were to have been an invasion of Portugal. She utterly neglected affairs in order to plunge into a whirl of dissipation with her foreign favorites. The situation became impossible, and it was with an intense feeling of relief that the Swedes saw her depart, in masculine attire, under the name of Count Dohna.
Setting off to Rome
Upon conversion she took a new name Maria Christina Alexandra and moved to Rome, where her wealth and former position made her a centre of society. Her status as the most notable convert to Catholicism of the age, and as the most famous woman at the time (even exceeding Elizabeth I of England), made it possible for her to ignore or flout the most common requirements of obeisance to the Catholic faith. She herself remarked that her Catholic faith was not of the common order; indeed, before converting she had queried from church officials how strictly she would be expected to obey the church's common observances, and received reassurances.
While in Rome, she engaged in numerous world-political intrigues, particularly in concert with the Catholic Church's clandestine group of troubleshooters, the squadrones volantes. Growing wearied of acting behind the scenes in her later years, she made several attempts to gain the crown of a country, even launching an abortive attempt to reclaim the Swedish throne.
She left her large and important library to the Papacy on her death (April 19, 1689).
She is only one of four women to be given the honour of being buried in the crypt of St. Peter's Basilica, alongside the remains of the popes. A monument to her was carved later on and adorns a column close to the permanent display of Michelangelo's Piet.
Heritage
Christina's reign was controversial, and literature circulated during her lifetime that described her as participating in multiple affairs with both men and women. This, along with the emotional letters that she wrote to female friends, has caused her to become an icon for the lesbian community.
The complex character of Christina has inspired numerous plays, books, and operatic works, including the classic feature film Queen Christina in 1934. It starred another complex female Swedish character who was herself suspected of being lesbian Greta Garbo. Another feature film, The Abdication starred the Norwegian actress Liv Ullmann, and was based on a play by Ruth Wolff.
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Ulrika Eleonora of Sweden
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Ulrika Eleonora (February 23, 1688 November 24, 1741) was Queen regnant of Sweden from November 30, 1718, to February 29, 1720, and then Queen consort until her death. The youngest child of King Charles XI and Queen Ulrike Eleonora, she was named after her mother. Upon the untimely and debated death of her brother, King Charles XII, at Fredrikshald on November 30, 1718, the succession discussions ultimately ended up in her favour, after she had accepted to abolish the absolute monarchy.
In 1715 she had married Landgrave Friedrich I of Hesse-Kassel, whose counsel she constantly sought in political matters. She even wanted him to officially become co-regent, but this was not allowed, and instead she abdicated in his favour after just one year of reign. Friedrich succeeded her on the Swedish throne as King Frederick I. Queen Ulrika Eleonora died of smallpox in 1741 after a childless marriage. The reigns of Ulrika Eleonora and her husband saw the birth of the era of Swedish history that is traditionally called the Age of Liberty, where the monarch had to give up most of his power to the aristocracy.
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Posted: 18-Jan-2006 at 07:10 |
Chirac is tory and you are off topic.
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I think Europe is making a big step forward with a conservative in power in Germany. Now just a few more leftist socialists to knock out starting with..lets say.... Jacques Chirac!!!!!!!!!!!
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interesting fact. Queen Victoria I of United Kingdom (ruled 1837
- 1901) was a descendant of King Geroge I, who was a direct descendant
of King Tigranes II (Tigranes the Great) of Armenia, who died in 56 BC.
Tigranes the Great was the 57th Great Grandfather of George I. No joke,
check it out yourselves.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s010/f1772 62.htm
you can trace your family too
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Zenobia (or Xenobia) is the name commonly used for the daughter of (= "bat" or "bath") Zabaai ben Selim. The widow of Septimius Odenathus, she reigned as Queen of Palmyra from 267 to 272 as regent for her infant son Vabalathus. Something of a militant, she embarked on a campaign of conquests that eventually saw her as the ruler of much of Syria and Asia Minor. By playing off Persia to the east against Rome to the west, she hoped to dominate them both.
In 269, she crushed an Egyptian who challenged Roman rule and proclaimed herself Queen of Egypt. She claimed to be descended from Cleopatra VII of Egypt and Mark Antony (and many modern historians believe she was), as well as Dido (the supposed founding queen of Carthage, according to the Aeneid) and declared herself the political heiress of both.
The Roman emperor Aurelian led a military campaign that resulted in the conquest of her kingdom in 272. Zenobia was captured and paraded wearing gold chains in Aurelian's Triumph (274). She was granted a villa in Tibur (now Tivoli, Italy), where she spent the rest of her life as a philosopher and socialite. Some historians (ancient and modern) believe she married a Roman senator and that they had children, so the line continued at least into the 4th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia
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In Serbia there was not crowned queens like other countries, but there were female rulers. Ljubica was wife of duke Milosh Obrenovic. She was very important in state bussines(mostly because her husband did't know to read and write). She even killed (with her own hands) one of his mistresses who became too important. And there was Draga Mashin, wife of king Aleksandar Obrenovic. Eventually, she lead him to death in 1903, because he married her even tough she was divorced, and because she could't have children. There was also Jelena, wife of king Urosh the First, who was the dauther of a french duke. She was very beautifil, and her husband made her a beautiful garden and castle. Another Jelena, was the sister of a bulgarian king, and she was married to a king (later emperor) Dushan the Great(grandson of Urosh the First and Jelena). She was very influental, but she made a crutial mistake: she prosveded her husband to help John Kantakuzen to get to a Byzintian throne. At first he try to help him, but finally when he refused John found an aliance in Turkish tribes. He brought them to Balkans. Dushan saw the danger, and he asked the pope to help him evict the nonchristians. The pope refused. Turks ruled the Balkans for almost 7 centuries. All thanks to Jelena.
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Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 16:17 |
Korea had Sunduk queen(632~646, 27th "king" of Shilla) during shilla:
Her name was duckman. She entered in the reign where the three korean states (koguryo, bekjae, shilla) were fighting fiercely, and made ties with Tang, strengthening national security. She also encouraged the smart ones in religion, politics, mathematics, and science to lead the nation. Like she was the founding "father" to korean unification.
During her era, she ordered the building of the "chum-sung-de" to observe stars and constellations.
It's mathematical in that there are 12 founding stones, 30 stones high, all these mathematical measurements, and most important of all, 366 stones (actually its 365 stones and one half stone- the half stone got lost or something) in total.
Myung sung hwang hoo- last queen of Korea. She came to power in 16, tried to gain power, brought the three border nations to korea, and was assasinated in the hands of japanese end.
[img]http://cont1.edunet4u.net/soo9443/images/meyngsung.jpg[/img]
That's like the two main queens in Korea.
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Posted: 30-Jul-2005 at 14:56 |
The first and only empress in Chinese history was Wu Zetian (625-705). She was a cruel woman. but generally speaking, as the ruler of the Tang Empire, she did a good job. Besides, there were over a dozen of queens served as regents in many dynasties. They made the contemporery emperors puppets.
Empress Wu Zetian
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Yes women have successfully brought a "peaceful" civilization today.
But it only is getting worse and worse everyday as males tries to vent
their lost power throught different sources that show our civilization
is decadend. In the U.S. feminism has practically destroyed the family
and rasised the instability in society to new heights. I believe this
is one of the reasons why the U.S. is in such a domestic crisis today.
Multiculturalism is another byproduct of the liberalism that has
gripped the easter half on the U.S and coupled with the Jewish owned
media it is really destroying America. Not that I am a fervent
conservative but if you live in the U.S. and especially New York where
the white population is disappearing this is painfully obvious.
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