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Bodhi Baavgai
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Topic: Mongol Armor? Posted: 28-Jul-2010 at 11:56 |
Hello. I recently got into the SCA. I am trying to build a set of Mongolian armor for heavy fighting. Where did you get the schematics for some of the armors pictured there? If I may ask. I have a bit before I auth in it, but I really need to make my own stuff. Two reasons really, 1 so I can say I made it, and 2 I am 6'6" and don't fit in much of the stuff available to me.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 15:56 |
Turk nomad, I have a reason to believe I may be Turkic, but I don't know what it would be measured as in a autosomal DNA test.. Would it be Central Asian, or East Asian? I am Polish, and Ukrainian..
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هیچ مردی تا به حال به شما درباره خدا گفته.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 02:35 |
Originally posted by HistoryGuy
Mongols are East Asian Turks and West Turks are Central Asian, but West Turks are mongoloid as well (the way they look is like intermediate Mongoloid and Europoid).. |
Mongols aren'T Turkic,they are mezosefal(ı heard) but we are brakisefal.Antropology says no =(.But may be we are cousin.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 02:31 |
Originally posted by ahiska
camokagurth wroye *and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid
Dude Turks are mongoloid(mostly) so are chinese and japanese. the term monogoloid is used to point out a genetic hmmm.. something that links several races to gether.
It's Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and few more.
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Dude,Turks are Alpino-Turanid,not mongoloid.
There was tatar(xyen bei) tribe since ghengis kill them all,they were tungus-mongoloid.İn 1200s other Tatars(in ghengis's army,tribes invading eurupe and ukraine,tatarstan) are a mix of Kipchak Turks and some other Turkic tribes
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 19:57 |
Mongols are East Asian Turks and West Turks are Central Asian, but West Turks are mongoloid as well (the way they look is like intermediate Mongoloid and Europoid)..
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هیچ مردی تا به حال به شما درباره خدا گفته.
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Tar Szernd
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 08:23 |
Hi!
Where were this photos made?
Thanks:
TSZ
Originally posted by vulkan02
here is some pics I found recently.
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Posted: 13-May-2006 at 18:41 |
Originally posted by ahiska
camokagurth wroye *and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid
Dude Turks are mongoloid(mostly) so are chinese and japanese. the term monogoloid is used to point out a genetic hmmm.. something that links several races to gether.
It's Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and few more.
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Turks are mixed of Mongoloid and caucasoid since the beginning of their existance chinese sources points out that turks(xiong-nu,tujue and some others) has some caucasian features like strong hair growth. Of course percantage of caucasian-mongoloid mixture changed over time
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Posted: 13-May-2006 at 17:24 |
camokagurth wroye
*and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid
Dude Turks are mongoloid(mostly) so are chinese and japanese.
the term monogoloid is used to point out a genetic hmmm.. something that links several races to gether.
It's Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and few more.
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Posted: 09-May-2006 at 07:45 |
Steppe nomads have always been influenced by Chinese society (and sometimes vice versa), so it's no surprise that Mongol armor is reminiscent of Chinese armor. Many components of their armor were probably purchased directly from Chinese merchants.
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Posted: 08-May-2006 at 20:22 |
Originally posted by tadamson
Originally posted by CamokaGurth
This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though different tribe ...
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Whare is the image from? If it's 'Tartar' are we talking 17thC ukraine ?
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*Tatar... the turkic peoples who were a part of the Golden Horde invading Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine etc.)
and yes they were a part of the Ottoman Empire in the 17th century, live in the areas of Tatarstan and Crimea(southern Ukraine). They were known as the Crimean Khanate after the breaking of the Horde.
(based on my research "Tartar" with the "r" was the work of European change that started from the "Tatary"(just used as the areas Tatars lived at) made related to "Tartarus" from Greek mythology )
*and PLEASE dont confuse Tatars with Mongols ... ive seen many mistakes like this in western(actually American ) history books etc. Tatars were turkic while Mongols were mongoloid
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Posted: 08-May-2006 at 06:59 |
Originally posted by perdon
mogols are like this? I think they look like chinese!!! |
don't be fool idiot.
i think uzbek people look like eskimos.
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Posted: 01-May-2006 at 19:22 |
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troops were punished by death if they didnt have the standard equipment. |
What do you mean by standard equipment? Do you mean a person should have the standardized stuff such as a bow, quiver, lasso, horse, saddle, etc or do you mean the equipment had to be the same as all the others in their unit? By 'same' I mean same style of armour, same clothing and so forth.
Yes, you are correct, they were punished if their equipment was not kept in proper order and maintained properly.
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 21:49 |
troops were punished by death if they didnt have the standard equipment.
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 21:21 |
Does the mongols have a standardised armor design? From the pictures, I have an impression that each indiv had to fabricate his gear from whatever stuff he can obtain...
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 18:06 |
Originally posted by CamokaGurth
This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i
think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though
different tribe ...
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Whare is the image from?
If it's 'Tartar' are we talking 17thC ukraine ?
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rgds.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 14:27 |
This is actually a Tatar warrior's armor, but i think its similar enough because they were in the same horde though different tribe ...
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Posted: 20-Mar-2006 at 17:01 |
btw, can you tell me which Russian books on Steppe warriors did Gorelik illustrate?
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Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 22:35 |
Originally posted by poirot
Here are two paintings of Mongol Cavalry:
Mongol Cavalryman
Mongol Cavalry in battle
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The picture is a total nonsense. The Monghol warrior is shown carrying a Chinese sword called Liuyedao furnished in a style of the 19-20th century. Anybody interested in ancient Monghol weapons, particularly armour, should get a book by Gorelik " Weapons of the Ancient East" Atlant Publishers, 2004 , Moscow-St. Petersburgh. It is in Russian, though...
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