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Topic: The First Balkan War 1912 Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 08:29 |
Thanks to these good maps.
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
A little known fact is that before the attack at Chataldja (last frontline before Constantinople) Bulgarian government received a secret ultimatum from St. Petersburg to immediately stop the offensive. The superpower has wanted the Straits and Constantinople only for themselves. The Straits and Constantinople were the price of Russian participation in the First World War. Even before the Ottoman Empire was also included in the conflict! Therefore Ottoman pre-emptive strike on Russian Black Sea ports in 1915 was fully justified. Russian armies fought in Galicia and Poland, but did not stop to prepare their invasion on Straits.
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Yes, you are right. Russians was afraid of Bulgarian occupation in İstanbul. Istanbul faced 3 threat during the Ottoman Empire. Just the first one could be succesful. * Triple Entente in 1918 (Occupation of Istanbul) *Russia in 1877-1878 (Yeşilköy/St. Stefano, more closer than Çatalca/Chataldja) *Bulgaria in 1912-1913 (Çatalca/Chataldja)
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
At the end of the Balkan War in April 1913 the Bulgarian army controlled a majority of the European territory of modern Turkey. Even a few cities on the shores of the Marmara Sea. Like Tekirdağ (Родосто) and Şarköy.
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Now I am in Tekirdağ untill April
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
Then at the conclusion of the peace treaty, the British Foreign Secretary Edward Grey insisted on final border line Midia-Enos. It is obvious that the real reason for this was the Straits. British wanted the Straits too.
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Yes, special position of Turkish Straits shows itself also in Serves and Lausanne agreements
Yellow one is Strait region in Serves Agreement (1918) Pink one is Strait region in Lausanne Agreement (1923) Turkey took all authority of the Straits with Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits (1936)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 100th anniversary of Balkan Wars: the beginning (Radio Bulgaria) http://bnr.bg/sites/en/Lifestyle/HistoryAndReligion/Pages/100thanniversaryofBalkanWarsthebeginning.aspx
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Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 03:44 |
Originally posted by Ollios
There were three big cities in that area; Salonica, Edirne, İstanbul. Bulgaria took the one of them. That was a good achwivement. However, I don't think they could able to finish their historical mission. Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks have just one national-historical mission which was conquering the Istanbul.
| A little known fact is that before the attack at Chataldja (last frontline before Constantinople) Bulgarian government received a secret ultimatum from St. Petersburg to immediately stop the offensive. The superpower has wanted the Straits and Constantinople only for themselves. The Straits and Constantinople were the price of Russian participation in the First World War. Even before the Ottoman Empire was also included in the conflict! Therefore Ottoman pre-emptive strike on Russian Black Sea ports in 1915 was fully justified. Russian armies fought in Galicia and Poland, but did not stop to prepare their invasion on Straits.
At the end of the Balkan War in April 1913 the Bulgarian army controlled a majority of the European territory of modern Turkey. Even a few cities on the shores of the Marmara Sea. Like Tekirdağ (Родосто) and Şarköy.
Then at the conclusion of the peace treaty, the British Foreign Secretary Edward Grey insisted on final border line Midia-Enos. It is obvious that the real reason for this was the Straits. British wanted the Straits too.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 02:45 |
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
Of course the time of Ottoman Empire was long over. She survived only because of the geopolitical balance between the Great Powers. Possession of the Straits was of great importance. Russia has always strived to conquer them. If it had succeeded, it would have turned Russia into the ruler of Europe and the Middle East. Also successor of the Eastern Roman Empire. Thats why Great Britain, France and Germany supported the Ottoman Empire.
| I agree it with 99%. I think, just German issue is different. Germany supported Ottomans not for possible Russian invasian, they supported to get an allies against France and Britain. In a historical order, Ottoman-Britain-France cooperation was older than German-Ottoman. When Britain and France decided to share Ottoman instead of protect, Ottoman and German alliance established
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
For me the Balkan War was a great episode of Bulgarian history. My great-great grandfather was involved in the war. He participated in the conquest of Edirne. I have family photographs from that time.
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During the 2 Balkan Wars, Bulgaria was always at the front stage. It was major player. My ancestry of paternal grandparents was still in Central Bulgaria in those days.
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
We were able to avenge the barbaric destruction of Bulgarian Empire in the 14th century.
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Barbarbaric destruction how many countries have been destructed in different way? if they exist, that should be an exception.
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
Also the next centuries of violent Islamic terror.
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It gives own place to christian terror in Greece, Serbia and Bulgaira. Issue is not about religion, What did Latin armies do their Christian brothers during the Fourth Crusade? How many times Byzantine Empire suppressed Bulgarian civil riots in bloody ways? The problem is selfishness and
greediness of humanity and also having a less tolerans for someone who is different than him/her
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
Our soldiers complied the historic mission of final rejection of Islamic conquest in Europe.
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There were three big cities in that area; Salonica, Edirne, İstanbul. Bulgaria took the one of them. That was a good achwivement. However, I don't think they could able to finish their historical mission. Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks have just one national-historical mission which was conquering the Istanbul.
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis
Should not be forgotten that the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic caliphate, not the Turkish nation-state.
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Who did cancel the caliphate? When Turkey did it, a sentence also added "Caliphate is belongs the republic (Turkish Rebuplic), caliphate is just canceling". This is also an open gate, but of cource, I don't think that majority of muslims will notice him as religious leader. Maybe just some Hanefis.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 15:57 |
Hand Strength Fighting was First Balkan War and preparation for next WW1 battle field:Thessaloniki battle front had showed it after.All Balkan countries have been result of foreign countries influence&local liberation movements confrontations.(Britain&France&Germany&Russia mostly!)USA stood behind the rest of Turkey after war.In Balkan wars suffered all population on Balkan.Relatives fought one against other as part of different Balkan armies.It is the same today.Who do pull the trigger next?Tell me other way where minority rules the majority?
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Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 15:54 |
Of course the time of Ottoman Empire was long over. She survived only because of the geopolitical balance between the Great Powers. Possession of the Straits was of great importance. Russia has always strived to conquer them. If it had succeeded, it would have turned Russia into the ruler of Europe and the Middle East. Also successor of the Eastern Roman Empire. Thats why Great Britain, France and Germany supported the Ottoman Empire. For me the Balkan War was a great episode of Bulgarian history. My great-great grandfather was involved in the war. He participated in the conquest of Edirne. I have family photographs from that time. We were able to avenge the barbaric destruction of Bulgarian Empire in the 14th century. Also the next centuries of violent Islamic terror. Our soldiers complied the historic mission of final rejection of Islamic conquest in Europe. Should not be forgotten that the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic caliphate, not the Turkish nation-state. Thereafter Bulgarians tried to recover their possession, but clashed with imperial ambitions of their neighbors. However, they did not hesitate to go to war with all of them.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 14:41 |
2012 is the 100. anniversary of first Balkan War. It was glory for many Balkan countries but it was also a tragedy for Turks. Turkey turn to ... 1910 1913 for more political cartoons http://mideastcartoonhistory.com/Prologue.htmlAlbania gained indepence Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria took nearly 90% of Ottoman Europe Finally, they could kill the dragon However, they were also in a race for taking more profit. Greece town Salonica could be a Bulgarian or Serbian. Greek army entered the city just a few hours early the Bulgarians The Balkan Wars: 100 Years Later, a History of Violence
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