The First Balkan War 1912
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Topic: The First Balkan War 1912
Posted By: Ollios
Subject: The First Balkan War 1912
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 14:41
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2012 is the 100. anniversary of first Balkan War. It was glory for many Balkan countries but it was also a tragedy for Turks. Turkey turn to ...   1910 1913 for more political cartoons http://mideastcartoonhistory.com/Prologue.html - http://mideastcartoonhistory.com/Prologue.html Albania gained indepence Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria took nearly 90% of Ottoman Europe  Finally, they could kill the dragonHowever, they were also in a race for taking more profit. Greece town Salonica could be a Bulgarian or Serbian. Greek army entered the city just a few hours early the Bulgarians The Balkan Wars: 100 Years Later, a History of Violence Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/10/08/the-balkan-wars-100-years-later-a-history-of-violence/#ixzz296x4VUGT - http://world.time.com/2012/10/08/the-balkan-wars-100-years-later-a-history-of-violence/#ixzz296x4VUGT  ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
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Posted By: Kanas_Krumesis
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 15:54
| Of course the time of Ottoman Empire was long over. She survived only because of the geopolitical balance between the Great Powers. Possession of the Straits was of great importance. Russia has always strived to conquer them. If it had succeeded, it would have turned Russia into the ruler of Europe and the Middle East. Also successor of the Eastern Roman Empire. Thats why Great Britain, France and Germany supported the Ottoman Empire. For me the Balkan War was a great episode of Bulgarian history. My great-great grandfather was involved in the war. He participated in the conquest of Edirne. I have family photographs from that time. We were able to avenge the barbaric destruction of Bulgarian Empire in the 14th century. Also the next centuries of violent Islamic terror. Our soldiers complied the historic mission of final rejection of Islamic conquest in Europe. Should not be forgotten that the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic caliphate, not the Turkish nation-state. Thereafter Bulgarians tried to recover their possession, but clashed with imperial ambitions of their neighbors. However, they did not hesitate to go to war with all of them. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 15:57
Hand Strength Fighting was First Balkan War and preparation for next WW1 battle field:Thessaloniki battle front had showed it after.All Balkan countries have been result of foreign countries influence&local liberation movements confrontations.(Britain&France&Germany&Russia mostly!)USA stood behind the rest of Turkey after war.In Balkan wars suffered all population on Balkan.Relatives fought one against other as part of different Balkan armies.It is the same today.Who do pull the trigger next?Tell me other way where minority rules the majority? |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 02:45
I agree it with 99%. I think, just German issue is different. Germany supported Ottomans not for possible Russian invasian, they supported to get an allies against France and Britain. In a historical order, Ottoman-Britain-France cooperation was older than German-Ottoman. When Britain and France decided to share Ottoman instead of protect, Ottoman and German alliance established
During the 2 Balkan Wars, Bulgaria was always at the front stage. It was major player. My ancestry of paternal grandparents was still in Central Bulgaria in those days.
Barbarbaric destruction  how many countries have been destructed in different way? if they exist, that should be an exception.
It gives own place to christian terror in Greece, Serbia and Bulgaira. Issue is not about religion, What did Latin armies do their Christian brothers during the Fourth Crusade? How many times Byzantine Empire suppressed Bulgarian civil riots in bloody ways? The problem is selfishness and greediness of humanity and also having a less tolerans for someone who is different than him/her
There were three big cities in that area; Salonica, Edirne, İstanbul. Bulgaria took the one of them. That was a good achwivement. However, I don't think they could able to finish their historical mission. Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks have just one national-historical mission which was conquering the Istanbul.
Who did cancel the caliphate? When Turkey did it, a sentence also added "Caliphate is belongs the republic (Turkish Rebuplic), caliphate is just canceling". This is also an open gate, but of cource, I don't think that majority of muslims will notice him as religious leader. Maybe just some Hanefis. ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Kanas_Krumesis
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 03:44
A little known fact is that before the attack at Chataldja (last frontline before Constantinople) Bulgarian government received a secret ultimatum from St. Petersburg to immediately stop the offensive. The superpower has wanted the Straits and Constantinople only for themselves. The Straits and Constantinople were the price of Russian participation in the First World War. Even before the Ottoman Empire was also included in the conflict! Therefore Ottoman pre-emptive strike on Russian Black Sea ports in 1915 was fully justified. Russian armies fought in Galicia and Poland, but did not stop to prepare their invasion on Straits. At the end of the Balkan War in April 1913 the Bulgarian army controlled a majority of the European territory of modern Turkey. Even a few cities on the shores of the Marmara Sea. Like Tekirdağ (Родосто) and Şarköy.  Then at the conclusion of the peace treaty, the British Foreign Secretary Edward Grey insisted on final border line Midia-Enos. It is obvious that the real reason for this was the Straits. British wanted the Straits too.
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 08:29
Thanks to these good maps.
Istanbul faced 3 threat during the Ottoman Empire. Just the first one could be succesful. *Triple Entente in 1918 (Occupation of Istanbul) *Russia in 1877-1878 (Yeşilköy/St. Stefano, more closer than Çatalca/Chataldja) *Bulgaria in 1912-1913 (Çatalca/Chataldja) 
Now I am in Tekirdağ untill April 
Yes, special position of Turkish Straits shows itself also in Serves and Lausanne agreements  Yellow one is Strait region in Serves Agreement (1918) Pink one is Strait region in Lausanne Agreement (1923) Turkey took all authority of the Straits with Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits (1936) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 100th anniversary of Balkan Wars: the beginning (Radio Bulgaria) http://bnr.bg/sites/en/Lifestyle/HistoryAndReligion/Pages/100thanniversaryofBalkanWarsthebeginning.aspx - http://bnr.bg/sites/en/Lifestyle/HistoryAndReligion/Pages/100thanniversaryofBalkanWarsthebeginning.aspx ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 10:54
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I'm agree that Balkan states oppositely to most of great powers won great victory.What about the stupid mistake which Fendinant did? So inspired from recent victories without any political perspicacity he wanted to make Serbians more accommodating. This part always made me angry!!! That would changed much recent history of Balkans..Anyway my grand grandfather also participated in the war. He was of front around Solun /Thessaloniki/ Let all from all sides rest in peace!!! ------------- Everybody listen only this which understands. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 13:27
| R.I.P. to all of them!Never it happens again! |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2012 at 02:24
When the time comes and pigs fly... It seems impossible to believe that it won't be again. Balkanization is still continuing. When Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks look their history, they are just seeing their own pain or victory. Even Balkan countries couldn't memorialize the begining of war. Each country tries to proof just own civil casualties (like just they suffered) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Muslims were the biggist looser of this war. Greek victories against Ottomans and Bulgars  Bulgarian photos in 1910-1920 (most of them are about Balkan War) http://www.lostbulgaria.com/index.php?cat=3 - http://www.lostbulgaria.com/index.php?cat=3 ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Phanes T.
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2012 at 00:04
| My great-grandfather fought in the Balkan Wars and won two medals:the Greek-Turkish Medal, for the FBW and the Greek-Bulgarian Medal for the SBW. I have a pocketknife, with king Constantine and queen Sophia, probably a souvenir. I also have an ivory brooch of that era, probably a souvenir also, with king Constantine. I wonder if anyone knows anything more about those souvenirs. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2012 at 02:33
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Diviacus, this is what I was looking for, but really thank you. http://emrecduran.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/05122012181.jpg?w=487&h=650 - http://emrecduran.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/05122012181.jpg?w=487&h=650 ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Sam@
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2013 at 04:48
| İlk kendi aranızda bir anlaşın da ondan sonra Osmanlı'ya hakaret edin, hasta bir adamdan toprak almak şu tarihinizde övünebileceğiniz yegane şey olsa gerek!! ki, kendi aranızda bile anlaşamamış olmanızda cabası. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2013 at 08:33
Hope Olios will translate Sam@'s post above!!
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2013 at 11:50
It is wasting time. Our friend Sam has been offended. According to his idea, we are insulting the Ottomans ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2013 at 15:16
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Turkish Empire did not reform itself on time!Lot of projects were in parliament those days:Federal constitution was one of those.War made lot of sufferings to all people.Foreign forces profited most of the cake. Balkan maps are on tailor's table again. Bosnia&Kosovo&Next?!? |
Posted By: Sam@
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2013 at 10:35
Yanlış anlaşılmasın yazılanlara değildi o sözler, sadece karikatürlerden rahatsız oldum onu dile getirdim. Sanırım Türkçe biliyorsun. Ben İngilizceyi çok az bildiğim için İngilizce yazamadım, yoksa bu konuda bir Fransız kadar tutucu değilimdir :). İmzanda ne demek istiyor tam Türkçe'si nedir merak ettim. medanaywe'nin ne demek istediğini pek anlayamadım, son cümlesini anlasaydım cevap verebilecektim. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2013 at 10:47
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Guys, lets take this to the native language section, or have Sam post in English.
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2013 at 13:38
Yes, I know a little bit Turkish as much as ordinary Turk in Turkish. It is my mother tongue and I am living in Turkey . Sorry, but I couldn't see any wrong thing in my cartoons. Those are historical references of how the people in West seemed Ottoman in those days.
He is asking my signature. (Turkish), "Balkan savaşları sırasında söylenmiş bir söz, o dönemi bence en güzel anlatan anlatımlardan biri açıklaması - Türkler Hristiyanların önünden kaçıyor; Bulgarlar Yunanlıların ve Türklerin önünden kaçıyor, Yunanlılar ve Türkler Bulgarların önünden kaçıyor, Arnavutlar ise Sırpların önünden kaçıyor."
he is asking what did madanaywe mean in his last sentence. He means that Balkans are still dividing by strange powers as like in Ottoman times. A tailor is shaping Balkans as his wishes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About using Turkish, you can go http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=81&SID=zac4b2432bb24ee45289zd288a745765 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=81&SID=zac4b2432bb24ee45289zd288a745765 You can write in Turkish, you can create a topic or answer with using Turkish ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Sam@
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2013 at 09:58
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Thanks for the responses Ollios, beautiful signature.
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2013 at 12:00
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A few days ago a watch "Zorba the Greek". It was a old fashion movie for me. I had known that it was great movie for own times, but my opinion was why I should have watch it. However, all is gone after I watched it. Yes, it had bad effects like in course scenes, but the character of Zorba, english man and french lady, are excellent.The movie is about Greek writer Nikos Kazancakis' novel and it was directed by Michael Cacoyannis The Zorba is a regretful person who is in late middle-aged. He probably fought in Balkan Wars (the story is in 1930's)
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Jan-2013 at 12:26
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Interesting mixture of uniforms on the Balkan side. Some look French and others look Russian ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Kitchener
Date Posted: 18-Jan-2013 at 08:41
| I have two photos from the Balkan Wars. How can I upload them? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jan-2013 at 12:08
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Usually through the insert image function found in the Icon line above the posting space. However there appears to be a problem with it currently. It is being examined. Until then the only option is to insert a link with the photo. However before you do that you must receive permission first. To do that, you need to PM either the admin owner or a staff. To PM usually requires you to post approx ten posts prior to the function being activated. These are safeguards to avoid spam bots. Thanks and welcome to the forum. CV ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Kitchener
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2013 at 09:42
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/92990118@N03/8453529050/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/92990118@N03/8452437599/in/photostream/ I have this two photos, from the Balkan Wars era. My great-grandfather (in the first photo, the first from the right), fought voluntarily in the battles of Kilkis-Lahana (19 to 21 June 1913), Kresna-Gorge (July 1913) and in the Epirus front, in the battle of Aetorahi (end of 1912 to early 1913). He was a simple corporal and was decorated with the greek-turkish medal and the greek-bulgarian medal. Can anyone tell me (seeing the photos) in which unit or regiment was he, or even were the photos were taken? Anything, would be very helpful and valuable. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2013 at 05:21
Nice photos, thanks to share ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Edirne  Turkish defense line ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Caught in the middle”, faced with new division lines amid celebrations of the First Balkan War. That’s how Bulgarian Muslims say they feel. 100 years later - some say this was “liberation”, while others insist it was “ethnic cleansing” http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/11/271654/bulgarian-muslims-urge-fair-treatment-unity/ - http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/11/271654/bulgarian-muslims-urge-fair-treatment-unity/ ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2013 at 06:52
| The First Balkan War was the only time in history that Greece and Bulgaria were not enemies.... During the Byzantine Empire, the Second Balkan War and WWW 1 & 2, Greece and Bulgaria were on the opposite camps! |