The Shroud of Gllavenica

I'll answer to you in english so the rest here understand what are we talking about my albanian file.
The links that you posted me doen't say anything for his surname's meaning and Kastriotis deep origins.I don't claim that he was Greek(look at my previous posts,I only refer to his surname origins).
Kastri and Kastro(you know greek so you know what am i saying) are the greek version of the latin castellum,(as in english became castle),and it is used in greek from roman times.As a greek-speaker you know that the man who is from a place named Kastri or Kastro is called Kastriotis.
I know that there is a Kastrati tribe but I don't know what its name means in albanian and what's its relation with Kastriotis.
I should note that during byzantine times Greeks held the most official chairs in the Empire,while,I think you'll agree Albanians stayed in the mountains(almost all the words about fishing,sea in albanian have non-albanian origins).
So the problem we have to solve is why an Albanian is named by a greek surname(not christian greek)(not only Kastriotis but Arianitis too).
A theory that I can think which explain this problem is that these families had Greek noble origins from families sent there(from a Kastro area lets say) by Constantinoupolis authorities . (I repeat I put that on the table to discuss it).Also another clue to discuss is that he sometimes referred to himself as Epirote.
Jamarber from those you wrote in your second paragraph you gained my respect. I respect only the Albanians who are proud(but not nationalists-propagandists) for their country and blood and don't try to claim Greekness saying that they are North Epirotes,or even Italians.
I suppose you know the word filotimo(i can't translate it,there isn't such meaning in other languages), and Greeks respect you when you don't hit  our filotimo by being ungratefull for what Greece offered to Albanians from 90' and of course when you respect greek history.
Of course you are Albanian and you must remain Albanian.





Edited by Patrinos - 01-Nov-2006 at 14:45

How do you explain that these albanian families had greek surnames??(Kastriotis, Arianitis)

Half breed not with degratory meaning. He speaks apparently fluent greek but is albanian.

Arber can you answer to my questions(of my previous post) which jamarber don't answer?

Jamarber, what sort of half breed (apparently with albanian consiousness) are you?

    Hi�.
What I sad is that: You are wrong about the Surname Arianiti.
It is not probably Byzantine origin but it is very Albanian last name, and the Albanians never used something to identify themselves. From the centuries Albanians were identified as a very old population. If you knew a little bit more about history probably you shut know right now what Albanians are and from where they come from.
But the Greeks and the Serbians are the same: they can take what is not theirs.
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/national/albania.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianiti

Agapimene mou Patrine!
Poly tha itheles to eponimo Arianitis na min exei albaniki katagogh, alla distixos gia sena einai poly albaniko epitheto.
Egw i idia exw zhsei stin Ellada pola xronia kai exo dei sta arxeia gramena sta ellinika oti afto to epithieto einai apo albaniki oikogeneia. An zeis Athina mporeis na pas sta arxeia tis Herald... den to thumamai kala alla einai sti Patision kapou kai exei arxeia gia tis oikogenies kai ta epitheta.
An kaneis kai ena kalo pasxsimo sto internet tha katalabeis oti einai apo aristokratiki oikogenia tis Albanias kai oi Arianites exoun desmo kai me ton Gjergj Kastriot Skenderbeu.

    

Felix do you know anything else about Arianiti family and its origins,etymology of the name?

The family was considered to be the most powerful Albanian family until Scanderbeg and even for a while after. They controlled lands from Vlore to as far Dibra(Moisi Golemi Arrianiti had that until he was captured and killed by the Turks).

George Arrianiti was considered to be the first Albanian to inflict a defeat on the Turks when he ambushed an army sent by Evrenoz(Hodgkinson, Scanderbeg) and then managed to defeat two other armies between 1433-1436.

I know that his mothers side had distant links to the Byzantine Comnenos family. thats why he took the surname Komnenos(in Alb: Gjergj Arrianit Komneni)

According to John Fine, the Late Medieval Balkans, he states that the family appeared in power around the sametime most other Alb tribes started appearing, after the death of the Dusan Empire. "To the north of Janina two major tribes had emerged. The Arianiti (Araniti) and the Musachi"

Around 1421 both him and the Castriot family accepted Ottoman suzerainty.

As for the ethnic origins. I could not say. As I stated, the family had come to existance probably during the time of the of the Despotate. They are listed as a tribe so it wouldnt be unlikely if the name had some Byzantine origins which thereafter the Albanian tribesmen used to identify themselves.


Musachi himself wrote quite a lot on him

Im assuming its a slavic toponym so no. South Albania is filled with Bulgarian names. This is most likely an Albanian corruption.
    

Edited by Theodore Felix - 08-Oct-2006 at 12:18