History of Genocide

Originally posted by Phallanx Im from the inner Agean many of my relatives were murdered by Greeks.But I dont hate Greeks.I even feel a sympathy for them.(I dont like facistsof any nation though.) "Inner Aegean"????? Where exactly is that situated? Murdered by Hellines???? When exactly did this take place??? Here we post based on facts dear friend. So it is plain logic that you should have already supported these ridicolous claims with FACT. I say so, isn't any kind of proof.

The Inner agean is the place which doesnt have a shoreline with the Agean sea but still the climate,vegetables and fruits are from the Agean climate.(look at a map of Turkey and you will see cities like Denizli and U�ak these are cities from the inner Agean part.)

I suppose you know the brief Greek invasion of western Anatolia.When they retreated they burnt the places they had occupied.Its usually what occupying armies do as they retreat.

And lastly yes GAZI does mean "warrior of faith".But I picked the name because Gazis were quite brave and were useful during the early Ottoman period.NOT because it means the "warrior of faith".

 

Originally posted by TJK The only example of actual genocide I'm aware of[1] was the extermination of the original Slavic Prussians by the invading Teutons who took over both the country and the name.   Prussian (as well as Lithuanians and Latvians) were Baltic tribe - not Slavic.

True, but the Balts are considered Slavonic at least by some people.

"The Lithuanians belong to the Indo-Germanic family, of which they form with the Letts and the extinct Borussians (Old Prussians) the Balto-Slavonic group. "

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09292a.htm

For an analysis of the linguistic position, see

http://www.asu.edu/clas/reesc/asugh/GHPIE.HTM

But I'll accept that whether the Balts can properly be called Slavs (or Slavonic) is a matter of dispute.

In any case it's irrelevant to my main point.

Are there any other cases of actual genocide rather than attempted genocide?

 

 

Seko
Don't twist my "statements" so they appear as if they are in "your" favor.
This was said in a totally different one of our (many) arguments when after posting a looooooooong list of sources, names, documents, Resolutions, testimonies............ all we heared were your(general) ridiculous responses such as:
UN and Human rights are Christian clubs, he is a traitor when quoting Turks, he's not credible when quoting Henry Morgenthau, you're a liar, we had the pleasure of seeing you attempt to distort what Mango wrote,............
so I then made reference to testimonies by survivors of Smyrna.

I suppose you know the brief Greek invasion of western Anatolia.When they retreated they burnt the places they had occupied.Its usually what occupying armies do as they retreat.

Com'on Gazi this is ridiculous, you are talking about a city that was predominately Christian throughout the whole Ottoman empire and before it. The population during the Ottoman rule was in its majority Hellines, Armenians and some Assyrians and I'm sure your Ottoman archives will support this.

So the same people that had lived under the Ottoman rule for so many years, were killed by their own and those that were still alive, burned their own houses down and fled to the sea asking from the 30 allied ships to rescue them????????

Don't know if there is a "laughing my ass off" smilie available. 

Anyway, just so you see what you've obviously never been taught, do a search on:
"GENOCIDE PROCLAMATION BY N.J. GOVERNOR JIM MCGREEVEY Press Release from: Pan-Pontian Federation of U.S. & Canada New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey issued a Proclamation on September 8, 2002, recognizing the Genocide of Pontos, Asia MInor and the destruction of Smyrna. He concludes by proclaiming September 9, 2002, as A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF SMYRNA AND THE GENOCIDE AGAINST THE GREEK PEOPLE OF PONTUS AND ASIA MINOR."

You'll find more than enough valuable info.

And while you are at it. Why don't you translate this for me and tell me if I got it right:




Official order for the destruction of all Hellenes and the abuse of the Hellenic women.

"To the Commander of the Central Corps.
I call your attention to the following:
Death to the Hellenes who lack honour. As soon as you are given the first sign, immediately destroy all. As for whatever regarding the women, don't hesitate. Don't consider neither honour nor friendship when comes the moment of revenge.
The commander of the corps
Mehmet Azit."

Phallanx wrote to me:  "we had the pleasure of seeing you attempt to distort what Mango wrote,............ "

 

Not so fast Phallanx, tell me what Mango wrote then we will judge. I need more than a link from an amazon.com book reviewer. You blast off baseless junk and hide behind links. Again what exactly did Mango write? I know the exact page that I used for my arguement. I will give you the page number and direct quote from this book regarding our discussion only after you provide your quote from the book first. Then we will see the kind of cheap tactics that you use. I am waiting!

My assessment that you are two faced still stands. You try to foam at the mouth when it only suits you. But you cannot hide from the fact that you use testimonies that fits your desires as you seem fit and you chastise others for using them. You are not fair. Your illogical arguement proves it.

Edited by Seko

Phallanx, don't try to convince Turks and turkophiles that we and the rest of the Christian populations of Asia Minor suffered a genocide. Seko for instance probably believes that the term genocide is a Jewish monopoly. After all, Kemal was the savior of the Turkish nation and a great figure for his people and a butcher for us.

No matter how good or bad a Greek or a Turkish person can be, politics will always be the superior force that will dictate our lives and we will never be able to overcome it or walk through a shortcut to avoid possible conflicts.

If I ever have to aim somebody with a gun (and I really hope not to, since murder is a sin) that will be a guy from the other side of the Aegean. And I will have to do so for similar reasons our ancestors did. Turkey still refuses to accept the historical truth that the Christian populations of the Ottoman Empire were violently exterminated by its regime and later by Kemal. We can't expect a peaceful future by today's situation.

Yes, according to my Christian faith but I also know that universal moral values consider murder to be a horrible crime. Did that sound so strange? 

Molossos

I believe it is not only my but everyones obligation to educate any ignorant "human being" about the historic FACTS that involve his/her country. If they choose to be educated or not is totally up to them, but I did try and that is more than enough for me.

By Albo

I'll agree that moral values have nothing to do with religion but I do suggest you do a search about ethnic cleansing of Hellinic Pontians, Imvros and Tenedos., Smyrna, Chios.............. 1918-1922 may have been good years for wine but were a totall disaster to humanity.

Originally posted by Phallanx Molossos I believe it is not only my but everyones obligation to educate any ignorant "human being" about the historic FACTS that involve his/her country. If they choose to be educated or not is totally up to them, but I did try and that is more than enough for me.

Sorry Phallanx....

U cannot educate brainwashed persons ....Final .

To educate someone u have to have certain conditions....like freedom of speech .... which for now , do not exist in certain neighboring areas... So , nice try , but .......

Isk. 

I am proud of offering sanctuary to Abdullah Ocalan. I hope it had turned out better.

Originally posted by Kenaney I smell racism here...

Add nazism, intolerance, fanaticism and fundamentalism and you are right.