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Poll Question: Which was the greatest modern army?
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    Posted: 10-Mar-2008 at 00:42
I picked the British because no country accomplished so much with so few.
 
In World War I, the BEF got mauled in the Schlieffen Plan but delayed the German advance enough times (wasn't even that many) for the French to win the Marne and were primarily responsible for blockading Germany and starving it into surrender.
 
In World War II, the British were along against Germany for nine months and were the first to successfully defend themselves against German aggression. Britiain defeated the Japanese in Burma and the Germans in Africa and it wasn't until the invasion of France where American troops completely outnumbered British in the frontlines against Germany.
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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2006 at 14:04
Originally posted by gerghoi zukuf

yeah well they still use their air power over their enmry.ex.in ww2 the germans cut  the line of the british and americans.when they did it was cloudy for 3 days.the americans were trapped.they had tanks and the german army exhausted.guess what happened.america lost 35,000.  
 
Yes and then looked how many men the Germans lost. More than 35,000. Aside from that it wasnt just air power, overstretch played a key part as did new German technology and the inhospitable terrain and the amazing sucess of Skorzenys commandos.
 
The Allied armies were not dependant upon air power but it was a major factor.
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  Quote xristar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 04:24
Gundamor, what you point out actually is the lack of deciciveness of the american people to go (to sent their boys) to war.
 
And you are right about fighting for your companion, but the same happens with your enemy. And the difference is that your enemy is ALSO fighting for his country. History has shown this many times, that the ideal for which someone is fighting plays an important role. In the case of the US perhaps not so much in the performance of the army, but certainly in the tolerance on losses.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 19:26
yeah well they still use their air power over their enmry.ex.in ww2 the germans cut  the line of the british and americans.when they did it was cloudy for 3 days.the americans were trapped.they had tanks and the german army exhausted.guess what happened.america lost 35,000.  
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  Quote Gundamor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 18:25
I find it bad to say any person in any army is weak minded or in weak spirit. I was in the American army for 11 years in Desert Storm,Somalia,Kosovo and Afgahnistan. We may have hated where we were and wanted to go home but when the mission time came or your life was on the line we were ready and very very capable of handling anything. The bonding and friendships made you fight to protect out of instinct and pride. "In the heat of battle it ceases to be an idea for which we fight. Or a flag. Rather we fight for the man on our left, and we fight for the man on our right. And when armies are scattered and the empires fall away, all that remains is the memory of those precious moments that we spent sided by side."

The complexities of war are so overshadowed by a couple mishaps. A plane my get shot down or crash from malfunction but this is after how many sorties? A convoy may run into trouble or get ambushed yet we forget about the 1000's of other succesful ones. We could kill 70-100 of the enemy but if one american is killed its considered a loss in some peoples eyes. Whats funny is that people put down the U.S. but every country in the world right now is taking notes and learning from the U.S. as they do real world things. The same goes with the British and other Nato countries currently down range in Afgahnistan. The flexible structure and training of these armies alow them to adapt and change quite well.

The U.S. army isnt small either. Its not built on manpower however. Our sheer amount of equipment makes it quite impressively large. Look at how many helicopters,tanks,trucks etc it has and its far from small.
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  Quote xristar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 11:46
I agree that the american soldier don't have the spirit needed, because they don't fight in any defensive war, but always in other countries and most times thay are the invaders.
But I think they still have a good quality in training (hell, thay at least have a lot of recent experience), and of course top quality in equipment. Their land army isn't impressive, but what makes them strong is 1)the ability to move their 'small' army everywhere within very little time, 2)their ability to support this army with the exhausting power of their airforce.
Of course without their air superiority, and in a large flat battlefield like that of central europe (NATO-Warsaw pact borders) they would be too weak.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2006 at 23:58
yes russian and person from uzkarjakitan.the anericans are fools.their f 117 is flawed.hear of the bonsia incident.a single round from a small arm destroy a 8 million dollar machine.Plus immendelity after the sovirt union desolved it the gay and very very very very scared americans knew that the russians were militaryly superior and that they could never win a ground war aginst the ussr,but about the very very very very very scared part the usa  quickly made the ussr apart of nato.29 days after ward and only that late becasue the u.s were preparing therir speeches and stuff.belive me and russian and the guy from uberistan the russian n.koreans and chinese and vietcong would certainly win.not the ill equpped american army.i was watching this one movie were the americans[in american soldierds]are in iraq and figthing agingt the tailban.well these armed militia were armed with only ak 47s and grenades and body armor.they after only five minutes the evil am,ericanswere requestingAIR SUPPORT.THE IRAQIS WERE BEATING THEM.THEY THE ARMEICAN ARE WAY TO CONFIDENT.ALREADY THE AREMICANS IN JUST TWO WEEKS OF FIGTHING WANTED TO GO HOME.PEOPLE OF THE WORLD[ARMEICA IS WEAKCOMPARED AGINST CHINA OR N.KOERA.sh*t DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.THE ARE IN TOP 5 BUT NOT TOP 5.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2006 at 02:00

All this sizing eachother up is sort of terrifying but affirms my ww3 nightmares. As a United States citizen. I have to say that these days the military might is sort of making me wonder if i might one day be prisoner of the gov. Confused

Please trust that im not confident in my nations military only because I was born here. I just feel that if pushed to the brink, or even just met with a more than formittable enemy, The death and destruction that can be projected globally would be not good. This topic is sort of scary in that way I guess because I (like most of the people ) am in no rush to engage in a war of that magnitude.
 
but thats my typical american opinion.  Wink
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  Quote Russian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 00:24


Originally posted by Dampier

Originally posted by Russian

karlos, Russia is also able to wipe out any country in the world, Russia actually has more nuclear weapons than US and bigger throw weight.


Can you confirm this, I was reading the Economist recently and they had the strategic nuke figures at something like 3,050 for US and 2,950 for Russia.

    
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_weapons#States_that_have_tested_a_nuclear_weapon
    

"Russia has a weaker GDP than Italy, but can Russia produce more?"

You've got to be kidding me.

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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 17:43
America had no nucleur weapons immediately after WW2 I believe, they used both their weapons on Japan. So open playing field. Plus with Russias air force (compared to Japans) could the Americans have delivered the bombs?
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  Quote Scheich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 16:44
Russian, you said, that it is not important how large the GDP is, it is important how many a land can produce.
Russia has a weaker GDP than Italy, but can Russia produce more?
Have you got statistics about Industrial Power?
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  Quote Death Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 23:06
I thought that i already posted my "im sorry" thread.No?,ok this is the one....

Ok i said what i wanted now i ask:
oh my God,how many more times will i have to ask Russian to explane to me HOW COULD  RUsSIA, RIGHT AFTER WW2, BEAT THE US WHEN IT DIDNT HAVE ANY NUCLEAR POWERED WEAPONS?
We are talking modern,not post modern, or post-post modern,right?
Then even my opinion that Germany was the best doesnt stand,so if Germany wasnt then Russia isnt too,.....hahaha,...lol
No realy, Russ explane


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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 05:05
Originally posted by Russian


karlos, Russia is also able to wipe out any country in the world, Russia actually has more nuclear weapons than US and bigger throw weight.
 
Can you confirm this, I was reading the Economist recently and they had the strategic nuke figures at something like 3,050 for US and 2,950 for Russia.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 22:32
There are many factors to consider when you compare the US military against the Russian military.  These days the US Army is much better.  Its weapons are better cared for and in better condition, it has an extensive cargo system that can transport weapons and supplies all over the world.  It has more money and a extensive satellite network.  Advanced UAVs and aircraft.  As for Iraq, the US could easily destroy every town and city in Iraq if it wanted to.  Thats the way the Russians do it but that would go against what they are trying to do there.  During the first strikes a few years ago the US military spared civilian facilities such as water treatment plants and the like.  The Russians would not do that.  You can't use Iraq to rate the US military because it is not a traditional conflict and Russian is fighting a whole different type of war.  And nukes, well numbers don't really matter if you get over 200.  200 is enough to destroy every large city in Russia or the US and then some.

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  Quote Russian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 09:37

Ok, sorry.   


but I still disagree about land operation Dampier, I don't think it is possible for US really.

karlos, Russia is also able to wipe out any country in the world, Russia actually has more nuclear weapons than US and bigger throw weight.
    
Well, you pointed out correctly that Nukes are peace keepres. No Russia wouldn't be able to wipe out China or India, but Iran, probably.

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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jun-2006 at 07:09
Guys calm it!
 
An Iran operation, on land, is entirely possible. Any conventional Iran war would be won by the US. However peacekeeping would be impossible.
 
And Death, Russia had the most powerful army at the end of WW2 of any of the nations. (not probably more powerful than all the Allies though). They beat the Germans square and fair.
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  Quote Komnenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jun-2006 at 05:41
Dear Death, Russian and Cesar !
 
Would you please continue your infantile ranting somewhere else.
Anymore of this and you all will have all the time in the world to watch the WC.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jun-2006 at 05:08
Originally posted by Russian





Originally posted by karlos





Originally posted by Russian


Originally posted by Death

Use your script and language
retard............unlike you i  read books and have read far more
then you .Im sure of that.This sick kid could be your dad, but if you
were my son i would send you back to Russia................share the
fate of your nation you imbecil.....its easy to live in
Canada.................Im thinking that maybe you got deported cause
your dumb,or crazy.See here My Romanian friend,.....first of all i
would take the Dacia,its a cool car i wont mind,seckond, yeah listten
to this guy,you might learn something...............................you
are in Romania right,..................now try and remember how we all
lived in this part of Europe(east) and tell me you beleve this guy,
this pathetic excuse of a spinal coard that more or less was too weak
to make it here where there is a strong competition to even
live.........................his belly is full and you are hungry,do
you beleve him?Germany had a most powerful modern army,end of
discusion! US is the only superpower, it could wipe out any single
country in the World now!


there we go, why US doesnt wipe out Iran, lol, because it can't.

There was no army in history more powerful than the RED ARMY.

Ok, Death, keep going, keep swearing, just go ahead, I am going to
just read your random post, I don't even want to argue with you, it is
impossible, you believe what you want to believe.
    



Ok,  this is getting really old.  All this bullsh*t is going to get this thread locked.
Anyways.....

why US doesnt wipe out Iran, lol, because it can't. 

My friend,  you are very wrong here.  The US can wipe
out Iran or any country in the world.  Tell me why it would be in the best interests of the
US to invade Iran right now.  Do you seriously think that
GWBush is going to march American troops right into Iran while they are
still trying to stabilize Iraq and Afghanistan.  He has the support
of about 35% of the population and there is no way that Congress would
support him let alone the UN and NATO.  This arguement is very
stupid;  quit using it. 


    

You are a common powerson with a common misconception, whta if US attacks Russia? China, India? It wil get OWNED, owned HARD.get a clue about forces and about the armies.

Land operation in Iran is IMPOSSIBLE for USA, because it will lose, look at the size of Iran, think.

USA is not nearly as powerful as it says it is, Iraq and Iran shows. You are just listening what USA sas about it's army, well, it had never faced a good enough army, it always attacked small countries with not really good armies, should it attack a good sized army, like german, Russia, Chinese, it will not be able to succede.

My argument is that USA can not wipe out any country, what about Russia, China India? USA will get owned should it attack them and USA knows this although keeps presenting it's army as the most powerful ever.

Lol, Cezar, just leave him alone, that's what you do with people like that, just don't reply.

Sheich, I do not agree, I think it must be stated what parts of army were more powerful, like: Land army, air forces, navy?

Because throughout 1945- present, Russia has most powerful land army, throughout 1945-present USA has strongest air forces and Navy. So, it depends not on time in this case, but on the part of the army I think.
    
You are right, it would be not in hte best interests of USA to invadde Iran, because they know their land forces will lose there.
    
 
 
 
 
Russian,  the US could wipe out Iran along with any country in the world with nuclear weapons(though the response may not be too pretty).  US ground forces are not designed to fight large land battles.  It would be stupid for the US to design its forces otherwise(look at the globe,  the USA is sitting comfortably with oceans on either side with no threat of a ground invasion). 
If the US tried to fight a conventional war with China, India,  or especially Russia it would most likely lead to nukes flying and thus it is too risky.  I don't believe that there are going to be any large scale wars in the near future as nearly all the participants would be nuclear armed and thus they have that deterant,  especially in the case of a war between the US and Russia.
  Having the most powerful ground forces in the world is not that great if you'reisolated.  Politically and logistically,  Russia is in no position to launch offenses outside of its region.  Do you think Russia could "wipe out," without using its vast nuclear capabilities, China,  India,  or the US,  or even Iran?
 
You are a common powerson with a common misconception, whta if US attacks Russia? China, India? It wil get OWNED, owned HARD.get a clue about forces and about the armies.There is not going to be a war between the US and a nuclear armed nation like China,  Russia,  or India the forseable future. In case you didn't notice,  Americans(and Russians, Chinese, Indians....) don't like to loose millions of their people to wars.  Life is not cheap.
 
just leave him alone, that's what you do with people like that, just don't reply.
lol.  I totally agree.
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Originally posted by karlos





Originally posted by Russian


Originally posted by Death

Use your script and language
retard............unlike you i read books and have read far more
then you .Im sure of that.This sick kid could be your dad, but if you
were my son i would send you back to Russia................share the
fate of your nation you imbecil.....its easy to live in
Canada.................Im thinking that maybe you got deported cause
your dumb,or crazy.See here My Romanian friend,.....first of all i
would take the Dacia,its a cool car i wont mind,seckond, yeah listten
to this guy,you might learn something...............................you
are in Romania right,..................now try and remember how we all
lived in this part of Europe(east) and tell me you beleve this guy,
this pathetic excuse of a spinal coard that more or less was too weak
to make it here where there is a strong competition to even
live.........................his belly is full and you are hungry,do
you beleve him?Germany had a most powerful modern army,end of
discusion!US is the only superpower, it could wipe out any single
country in the World now!


there we go, why US doesnt wipe out Iran, lol, because it can't.

There was no army in history more powerful than the RED ARMY.

Ok, Death, keep going, keep swearing, just go ahead, I am going to
just read your random post, I don't even want to argue with you, it is
impossible, you believe what you want to believe.
    



Ok, this is getting really old. All this bullsh*t is going to get this thread locked.
Anyways.....

why US doesnt wipe out Iran, lol, because it can't.

My friend, you are very wrong here. The US can wipe
out Iran or any country in the world. Tell me why it would be in the best interests of the
US to invade Iran right now. Do you seriously think that
GWBush is going to march American troops right into Iran while they are
still trying to stabilize Iraq and Afghanistan. He has the support
of about 35% of the population and there is no way that Congress would
support him let alone the UN and NATO. This arguement is very
stupid; quit using it.


    

You are a common powerson with a common misconception, whta if US attacks Russia? China, India? It wil get OWNED, owned HARD.get a clue about forces and about the armies.

Land operation in Iran is IMPOSSIBLE for USA, because it will lose, look at the size of Iran, think.

USA is not nearly as powerful as it says it is, Iraq and Iran shows. You are just listening what USA sas about it's army, well, it had never faced a good enough army, it always attacked small countries with not really good armies, should it attack a good sized army, like german, Russia, Chinese, it will not be able to succede.

My argument is that USA can not wipe out any country, what about Russia, China India? USA will get owned should it attack them and USA knows this although keeps presenting it's army as the most powerful ever.

Lol, Cezar, just leave him alone, that's what you do with people like that, just don't reply.

Sheich, I do not agree, I think it must be stated what parts of army were more powerful, like: Land army, air forces, navy?

Because throughout 1945- present, Russia has most powerful land army, throughout 1945-present USA has strongest air forces and Navy. So, it depends not on time in this case, but on the part of the army I think.
    
You are right, it would be not in hte best interests of USA to invadde Iran, because they know their land forces will lose there.
    

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  Quote Scheich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jun-2006 at 11:46

This is my oppinion: Germany 1912-1943  

                                   CCCP      1943-1945
                                      USA     1945-1962
                                   CCCP      1962-1979
                                      USA      1979-present
                                                                           
 
                                   
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