New Arizona law allows police to pull over anyone they desire under "reasonable suspicion" and ask them for their documents, including their birth certificate. If you do not have these documents on you, you get arrested and taken to jail:
We all know what this "reasonable suspicion" is, its targeted towards non-whites
Where are the constitutionalists? Where are the tea partiers? Where are all these conservatives (granted there are some conservatives who oppose the bill)? Where are all those people against big government? RACISM. HYPOCRITES! ITS TIME TO EXPOSE THE GOP AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT TODAY FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS (not all are racist, but its policies are based on racism)
Boycott Arizona!
Already there are national boycotts being set up against Arizona. This law is absolutely despicable! Instead of going after the businesses that hire these illegal immigrants, they decide to violate the constitutional rights of anyone whose not white. THIS IS THE GOP FOR YOU!
I can post dozens of more links but I think what I have above is enough for now, more if necessary.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2010 at 18:56
Please give it up TGS? You have already lost!
I propose we all boycott California! Please do not make any plans to go there! If you are white and from the South, you might well be taken from your vehicle and killed? Who knows?
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It gets a little more complex than the rascism slogan. Whites may well be a minority in Arizona. If so, the law could not have passed without Native American, hispanic and black support.
In either case, a Deputy sherrif has just been shot by a drug smuggler (presumably an illegal alien) using an AK-47. If this become a trend and if Mexico becomes increasingly a "failed state", things have the potential to get exponentialy worse.
It gets a little more complex than the rascism slogan. Whites may well be a minority in Arizona. If so, the law could not have passed without Native American, hispanic and black support.
In either case, a Deputy sherrif has just been shot by a drug smuggler (presumably an illegal alien) using an AK-47. If this become a trend and if Mexico becomes increasingly a "failed state", things have the potential to get exponentialy worse.
I know its a problem, but making Nazi like laws is not the way a democracy should handle such a situation. Here is what you do to combat illegal immigration:
GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HIRE THEN!
With regards to the drug problem, thats a whole different story seperate from illegal immigration. Drug smugglers will be there regardless we need to reform our drug laws.
Also Arizona's demographics are about 60% white and 30% Latino
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Posted: 01-May-2010 at 13:54
"I know its a problem, but making Nazi like laws is not the way a democracy should handle such a situation."
Using words / epitaphs like "Nazi", or as some of your co-conspirators say "Fascist!" is "not the way" to win friends or influence people either! Since the Arizona law is supposedly written as an almost straight copy of US Immigration Statutes, then I suppose you will have to use the same epitaph(s) for the US Law?
"GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HIRE THEm!" Note I corrected your small spelling mistake! Chuckle!
But, TGS laws already in effect directed at just such actions are, it seems, being ignored by the Obama administration! Why don't they enforce these statutes?
Is the Obama administration also in bed with the Capitalists'?
Yeah! Reform the Drug Laws! Yeah! Good Idea!
Look, back when I started in the drug business, there was a US tax on marijuana! Just declare it with Customs and pay the $100.00 per oz. tax! Lets see, 20 joints equals approximately 1 ounce! So, let us go back to those days! Assuming you plan to market your ganja in packs of 20, like cigarettes, then you would pay the USA $100.00 and then pay your supplier, and then add on your comission or profit, etc., and then sell the pack to the "legal" purchaser for? Let's say $140.00 per pack!
But, whoa mule! We forgot about other taxes! I am sure each state would want to add a tax of their own? Let's see, if the USA can get $100.00 per oz., perhaps each state will be satisfied with a tax of only $50.00 per pack? Thus we might well expect our "pack of joints" would then be about $190.00 per pack? But, you know also that items like this are also subject to things called "sin taxes!", perhaps a tax like that will be added? And then there is the "sales tax", and perhaps soon also a VAT tax!
And, we just do not know how many "middle men" will be involved, adding their profit each time?
Hope you can afford it?
Just how does that sound?
BTW, regarding your quite racist Crayaola box, I don't know just how many Mexican or Hondurans, etc., that you know? But, since you claim to be an Anglo, I can tell you quickly that a good many of them look very little different than you!
And, as regards something that may be a little alien to you (chuckle) you also seem to know little or nothing about North American Indians (Native Americans to all of you politically correct people), and Immigration Law!
But, perhaps I should not let you in on this small little secret?
"I know its a problem, but making Nazi like laws is not the way a democracy should handle such a situation."
Using words / epitaphs like "Nazi", or as some of your co-conspirators say "Fascist!" is "not the way" to win friends or influence people either! Since the Arizona law is supposedly written as an almost straight copy of US Immigration Statutes, then I suppose you will have to use the same epitaph(s) for the US Law?
Hell has frozen over, a conservative is telling me not to use the word Nazi or Fascist! If the shoe fits...(and it certainly does in most cases in my opinion)
Originally posted by opuslola
But, TGS laws already in effect directed at just such actions are, it seems, being ignored by the Obama administration! Why don't they enforce these statutes?
Is the Obama administration also in bed with the Capitalists'?
HAHA, where were you for the past 9 years?
All of a sudden its Obama's job to do this? What happened to states rights and states taking care of things themselves?
You guys are nothing more than hypocrits and it astounds me that you guys can contradict yourselves so many times...THE KNOW NOTHING PARTY!
Originally posted by opuslola
Yeah! Reform the Drug Laws! Yeah! Good Idea!
Look, back when I started in the drug business, there was a US tax on marijuana! Just declare it with Customs and pay the $100.00 per oz. tax! Lets see, 20 joints equals approximately 1 ounce! So, let us go back to those days! Assuming you plan to market your ganja in packs of 20, like cigarettes, then you would pay the USA $100.00 and then pay your supplier, and then add on your comission or profit, etc., and then sell the pack to the "legal" purchaser for? Let's say $140.00 per pack!
But, whoa mule! We forgot about other taxes! I am sure each state would want to add a tax of their own? Let's see, if the USA can get $100.00 per oz., perhaps each state will be satisfied with a tax of only $50.00 per pack? Thus we might well expect our "pack of joints" would then be about $190.00 per pack? But, you know also that items like this are also subject to things called "sin taxes!", perhaps a tax like that will be added? And then there is the "sales tax", and perhaps soon also a VAT tax!
And, we just do not know how many "middle men" will be involved, adding their profit each time?
Hope you can afford it?
Just how does that sound?
Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about, and to be honest, I barely skimmed this gibberish.
Reforming drug laws have worked in the UK, Portugal, as well as many other countries. The legalization of drugs resulted in a decline in their usage and in violence.
In Portugal, for example, where all drugs were legalized ten years ago, drug usage is the lowest in all of Europe when it used to be the highest.
Originally posted by opuslola
BTW, regarding your quite racist Crayaola box, I don't know just how many Mexican or Hondurans, etc., that you know? But, since you claim to be an Anglo, I can tell you quickly that a good many of them look very little different than you!
What? I'm so confused.
Originally posted by opuslola
And, as regards something that may be a little alien to you (chuckle) you also seem to know little or nothing about North American Indians (Native Americans to all of you politically correct people), and Immigration Law!
I know they were wiped out and their land taken, hell the first illegal immigrants were European settlers correct? And by the way, Indians are from India, Native Americans are from North America, its not about political correctness, its simply a matter of correctness.
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Originally posted by opuslola
BTW, regarding your quite racist Crayaola box, I don't know just how many Mexican or Hondurans, etc., that you know? But, since you claim to be an Anglo, I can tell you quickly that a good many of them look very little different than you!
TGS wrote;
"What? I'm so confused."
Well, if you are a "progressive" then you are already "confused" by definition!
How do you not see that a portrayal of one "white" crayon in the box getting a break, not "racist?"
What if I had posted a similar photo example with only a "black" crayon exemted? You would have called the NAACP and every other left wing, progressive supporter in the USA, or the world to shout about it!
In the world of "hypocrites", a word you like to bandy about, you might well be the biggest one!
And, as I wrote, "you seem to know nothing about N. American Indians and Immigration Law!" And, it seems you will continue to "know nothing!" Since you are a card carrying member of the real "Know Nothing" party!
Oh! By the way, I send you the famous words of "Monte Python";
"I fart in your general direction!Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of Elderberries!"
If this discussion continues at this level, I'll shut it down and send TGS and Opuslola to "Timeout".
Grow up folks.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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Posted: 02-May-2010 at 14:54
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
Also Arizona's demographics are about 60% white and 30% Latino
In 2008, whites were at 58%. That number includes not only the anglo quasi ethnic group but some near indigenous Hispanics and others who might self indentify as "white" incuding immigrant iranians, arabs, pakistanis, etc. What the number seems to indicate is that the law could not have passed without some degree of minority support.
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
In Portugal, for example, where all drugs were legalized ten years ago, drug usage is the lowest in all of Europe when it used to be the highest.
I would really check that source. Hard drugs may still be illegal in Portugal. As a side note, the Netherlands has taken modest steps back from being a "any vice goes, anytime, anywhere" society. Also, several northeren California counties have re criminalized marijuana after liberalization did not lead to a pot paradise.
In 2008, whites were at 58%. That number includes not only the anglo quasi ethnic group but some near indigenous Hispanics and immigrant groups who might also self indentify as "white" incuding immigrant groups such as iranians, arabs, pakistanis, etc. What the number seems to indicate is that the law could not have passed without some degree of minority support.
It has less to do with the percentage of public support and more to do with who controls politics in Arizona:
The bill, with a number of changes made to it, passed the Arizona House of
Representatives on April 13 by a 35–21 party-line vote.[31]
The revised measure then passed the State Senate on April 19 by a 17–11
vote that also closely followed party lines,[8]
with all but one Republican voting for the bill, ten Democrats voting
against the bill, and two Democrats not voting.[33]
Republicans are in control in Arizona, and therefore got the law passed. Minorities do not typically vote Republican and certainly not in the numbers that you suggest.
The Republican Party represents the White conservative population, where as the Democratic Party tends to represent minorities. So as we see here, those representing minority interests voted against the bill. So what public opinion is amongst minorities and whites is irrelevant as this was not passed based on a referendum.
Cryptic, I highly recommend you read this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/opinion/02rich.html?ref=opinion
Originally posted by Cryptic
I would really check that source. Hard drugs may still be illegal
in Portugal. As a side note, the Netherlands has taken modest steps
back from being a "any vice goes, anytime, anywhere" society. Also,
several northeren California counties have re criminalized
marijuana after liberalization did not lead to a pot paradise.
Under Portuguese law, there are no criminal penalties for the
personal use of any drug.[1][2]
Drug abusers are dealt with by administrative and therapeutic means.[3][4][5]
A study by Glenn Greenwald (commissioned by the libertarianCato Institute) found that in the five years after the
start of decriminalization, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined,
the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related
to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the
number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled, while
usage in the EU continued to increase, including in states with
"hard-line drug policies."[3]
However, Peter Reuther, a professor of criminology and public policy
at the University of Maryland,
College Park, while conceding that Portuguese decriminalization met
its central goal of stopping the rise in drug use, suggests that the
heroin usage rates and related deaths may have been due to the cyclical
nature of drug epidemics.[9]
Since Portugal's policy reform in 2001, the rates of overdoses and
HIV cases have been reduced significantly.[10][11][12]
Drugs are in fact legal in Portugal and the results have been amazing! The same thing happened in England with marijuana.
The trend in Netherlands is mostly due to more conservative elements taking control in politics rather than with the actual facts and results. The truth of the matter is that if you take the crime element out of the drug trade, violence and death rates will fall, and if you legalize drugs and educate people about them instead of punishing people and spreading propaganda, drug usage rates will also fall.
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Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
Under Portuguese law, there are no criminal penalties for the personal use of any drug.[1][2] Drug abusers are dealt with by administrative and therapeutic means.[3][4][5]
That is not legalization. Evidently, it is still illegal to sell, manufacture or import drugs such as heroin, cocaine and methamphetimines. It maybe illegal to buy them, especially in quantity.
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
Minorities do not typically vote Republican and certainly not in the numbers that you suggest.
That is old thinking. The voting patterns of hispanics and asians are more complex that that analysis. Even the total allegiance to the democratic party that blacks have dispalyed in waning. (did Blacks voted for the Democratic Party, or did they vote for Barack Obama who was democrat?) Actually, I hope the deomocratic party stu
That is only half legalization. Evidently, it is still illegal to sell, manufacture or import certain drugs. It maybe illegal to buy them, especially in quantity.
Yes, large quantities are still illegal, but small quantities are legal. In the United States, someone can go to prison for possessing a few grams of marijuana! How ridiculous is that? Harsher laws are not working and have not been working for decades. We need to rethink this "war on drugs".
And the same with this new Arizona bill, a law like the one passed will only hurt the cause of those trying to secure our borders, not help them. Go after the employers, and as for the drugs causing the violence, that is a different issue and is the result of our drug policy.
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Posted: 02-May-2010 at 16:00
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
Yes, large quantities are still illegal,
I bet that it is also illegal to sell any quanitity of heroin, cocaine or methamphetimines.
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
We need to rethink this "war on drugs".
I agree, but only to a degree. Decriminalizing personal use possession of marijuana is fine. Creating legalized opium dens may social concequences that progressives ingore.
That is old thinking. The voting patterns of hispanics and asians are more complex that that analysis. Even the total allegiance to the democratic party that blacks have dispalyed in waning. (did Blacks voted for the Democratic Party, or did they vote for Barack Obama who was democrat?) Actually, I hope the deomocratic party stu
Not true at all. Polling still shows that the Republican Party's supporters are overwhelmingly White American, and polling shows that a large part of the Democratic Party's supporters are in fact, minorities. Blacks have always traditionally voted Democrat in huge numbers.
Please read the link I posted above in my earlier post to understand the politics behind the Arizona law and who voted for it and what their beliefs are.
Originally posted by Cryptic
I agree, but only to a degree. Decriminalizing
personal use possession of marijuana is fine. Creating legalized opium
dens may social concequences that progressives ingore.
Worse than the problems we have right now? Sorry to break it to you, but our harsh laws against drugs seem to have made things worse and the social consequences have been disastrous (rise of gangs, violence, lack of respect for authority and the police, etc...)
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Posted: 02-May-2010 at 16:07
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
Blacks have always traditionally voted Democrat in huge numbers.
I really hope that the Democratic party continues to take blacks for granted, especially after Barak Obama is gone. Then they can add to it by assuming that Hispanics are not swing voters.
I really hope that the Democratic party continues to take blacks for granted, especially after Barak Obama is gone.
And how is the Democratic Party taking blacks for granted?
Originally posted by Cryptic
Then they can add to it by assuming that Hispanics are not swing voters.
Hispanics are now the single largest minority ethnic group in the country, and they are supporters of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has support amongst the Latino (Cuban) communities in Florida but thats about it. At the pace the Republican Party is going, I dont see it having any type of future as a major party in the United States in the next couple decades, and certainly by 2050.
----------------------------------- Here are the statistics:
85% to 95% of Blacks vote Democrat (in the recent Presidential election this number was more than 95%)
Hispanics who vote Republican do so mostly for religious reasons, and socially Hispanics tend to be conservative. However, the majority of Hispanics tend to vote Democrat, up to 70% and more. All Hispanic groups aside from Cuban Americans have dependably voted Democrat (younger Cuban Americans are also shifting towards the Democratic party). And as the immigration debate is heating up, the Republican Party is losing even more Hispanic voters.
In 2006 the Democratic Party won 62% of the Asian American vote and Asian American support for the Democratic party continues to rise every year.
Just like blacks, Native Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat, at around the same percentage as blacks.
70% of Jews vote for the Democratic Party.
By the way, the Democratic party is the largest party in this country and nearly 45% of Americans are registered Democrats.
The Republican Party is alienating a huge chunk of the population.
Furthermore, the Republicans are also losing the youth vote. Younger
Americans have consistently voted Democrat since 1992 and their support
for the Democratic party rises every year. In fact, 66% of America's
youth voted for Obama.
Believe me, the way things are going, the
Republican Party will cease to exist as a political force in the coming
decades. However, with that said, Most independents tend to vote
Republican but their numbers are not enough to counter the growing
minority population in this country, which will eventually surpass the
White population. These minorities will overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
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Posted: 03-May-2010 at 09:50
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
At the pace the Republican Party is going, I dont see it having any type of future as a major party in the United States in the next couple decades, and certainly by 2050.
Believe me, the way things are going, the Republican Party will cease to exist as a political force in the coming decades.
Sounds like the same claims the Republicans made about Democrats after the Reagan Revolution. But then, you are probably too young to remember . I really hope that your exhuberance and uhmm... "confidence" is shared by the Democratic Party leadership.
Sounds like the same claims the Republicans made about Democrats after the Reagan Revolution. But then, you are probably too young to remember . I really hope that your exhuberance and uhmm... "confidence" is shared by the Democratic Party leadership.
Republicans say a lot of things, mostly lies. Its been 20 years and the statistics have been consistently in the Democrats favor and since the 80's the Democrats keep gaining more and more voters while the Republicans are actually losing votes.
I posted the statistics, you take it however you want, but the truth is the truth and the facts are the facts, I know this logic may seem confusing to you.
The 80's was a different era. Many Hispanics and Asians voted Republican because of their anti-communist sentiments. This is no longer the case as communism has collapsed for the most part almost everywhere. In today's world, reality, the Democratic Party represents the majority of Americans and their numbers continue to grow while the Republican Party is refusing to adapt to reality.
A racist is running for the Governorship of Arizona (video of him posing and talking with neo-Nazi's and confederate flag waving racists). The crazy thing that he is the most popular Republican in the state according to polling.
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