Arizona: Home of GOP policy and racism
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Topic: Arizona: Home of GOP policy and racism
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Subject: Arizona: Home of GOP policy and racism
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2010 at 14:26
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Arizona BANS ethnic studies programs in schools: http://coloradoindependent.com/52523/arizona-legislature-bans-ethnic-studies-programs New Arizona law allows police to pull over anyone they desire under "reasonable suspicion" and ask them for their documents, including their birth certificate. If you do not have these documents on you, you get arrested and taken to jail: http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Arizona-Immigration-Law-Stokes-National-Debate-92530669.html Already people are being pulled over: http://en.terra.com/latin-in-america/news/truck_driver_forced_to_show_birth_certificate/hof9406 We all know what this "reasonable suspicion" is, its targeted towards non-whites Where are the constitutionalists? Where are the tea partiers? Where are all these conservatives (granted there are some conservatives who oppose the bill)? Where are all those people against big government? RACISM. HYPOCRITES! ITS TIME TO EXPOSE THE GOP AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT TODAY FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS (not all are racist, but its policies are based on racism) Boycott Arizona!  Already there are national boycotts being set up against Arizona. This law is absolutely despicable! Instead of going after the businesses that hire these illegal immigrants, they decide to violate the constitutional rights of anyone whose not white. THIS IS THE GOP FOR YOU! I can post dozens of more links but I think what I have above is enough for now, more if necessary. |
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2010 at 18:56
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Please give it up TGS? You have already lost!
I propose we all boycott California! Please do not make any plans to go there! If you are white and from the South, you might well be taken from your vehicle and killed? Who knows? Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2010 at 20:16
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It gets a little more complex than the rascism slogan. Whites may well be a minority in Arizona. If so, the law could not have passed without Native American, hispanic and black support.
In either case, a Deputy sherrif has just been shot by a drug smuggler (presumably an illegal alien) using an AK-47. If this become a trend and if Mexico becomes increasingly a "failed state", things have the potential to get exponentialy worse.
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 01-May-2010 at 11:30
I know its a problem, but making Nazi like laws is not the way a democracy should handle such a situation. Here is what you do to combat illegal immigration: GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HIRE THEN! With regards to the drug problem, thats a whole different story seperate from illegal immigration. Drug smugglers will be there regardless we need to reform our drug laws. Also Arizona's demographics are about 60% white and 30% Latino |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 01-May-2010 at 13:54
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"I know its a problem, but making Nazi like laws is not the way a democracy should handle such a situation."
Using words / epitaphs like "Nazi", or as some of your co-conspirators say "Fascist!" is "not the way" to win friends or influence people either! Since the Arizona law is supposedly written as an almost straight copy of US Immigration Statutes, then I suppose you will have to use the same epitaph(s) for the US Law? "GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HIRE THEm!" Note I corrected your small spelling mistake! Chuckle! But, TGS laws already in effect directed at just such actions are, it seems, being ignored by the Obama administration! Why don't they enforce these statutes? Is the Obama administration also in bed with the Capitalists'? Yeah! Reform the Drug Laws! Yeah! Good Idea! Look, back when I started in the drug business, there was a US tax on marijuana! Just declare it with Customs and pay the $100.00 per oz. tax! Lets see, 20 joints equals approximately 1 ounce! So, let us go back to those days! Assuming you plan to market your ganja in packs of 20, like cigarettes, then you would pay the USA $100.00 and then pay your supplier, and then add on your comission or profit, etc., and then sell the pack to the "legal" purchaser for? Let's say $140.00 per pack! But, whoa mule! We forgot about other taxes! I am sure each state would want to add a tax of their own? Let's see, if the USA can get $100.00 per oz., perhaps each state will be satisfied with a tax of only $50.00 per pack? Thus we might well expect our "pack of joints" would then be about $190.00 per pack? But, you know also that items like this are also subject to things called "sin taxes!", perhaps a tax like that will be added? And then there is the "sales tax", and perhaps soon also a VAT tax! And, we just do not know how many "middle men" will be involved, adding their profit each time? Hope you can afford it? Just how does that sound? BTW, regarding your quite racist Crayaola box, I don't know just how many Mexican or Hondurans, etc., that you know? But, since you claim to be an Anglo, I can tell you quickly that a good many of them look very little different than you! And, as regards something that may be a little alien to you (chuckle) you also seem to know little or nothing about North American Indians (Native Americans to all of you politically correct people), and Immigration Law! But, perhaps I should not let you in on this small little secret? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 01-May-2010 at 14:43
Hell has frozen over, a conservative is telling me not to use the word Nazi or Fascist!  If the shoe fits...(and it certainly does in most cases in my opinion)
HAHA, where were you for the past 9 years? All of a sudden its Obama's job to do this? What happened to states rights and states taking care of things themselves? You guys are nothing more than hypocrits and it astounds me that you guys can contradict yourselves so many times...THE KNOW NOTHING PARTY! 
Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about, and to be honest, I barely skimmed this gibberish. Reforming drug laws have worked in the UK, Portugal, as well as many other countries. The legalization of drugs resulted in a decline in their usage and in violence. In Portugal, for example, where all drugs were legalized ten years ago, drug usage is the lowest in all of Europe when it used to be the highest.
What? I'm so confused.
I know they were wiped out and their land taken, hell the first illegal immigrants were European settlers correct? And by the way, Indians are from India, Native Americans are from North America, its not about political correctness, its simply a matter of correctness. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 01-May-2010 at 16:36
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Originally posted by opuslola
BTW, regarding your quite racist Crayaola box, I don't know just how many Mexican or Hondurans, etc., that you know? But, since you claim to be an Anglo, I can tell you quickly that a good many of them look very little different than you! TGS wrote; "What? I'm so confused." Well, if you are a "progressive" then you are already "confused" by definition! 
How do you not see that a portrayal of one "white" crayon in the box getting a break, not "racist?" What if I had posted a similar photo example with only a "black" crayon exemted? You would have called the NAACP and every other left wing, progressive supporter in the USA, or the world to shout about it! In the world of "hypocrites", a word you like to bandy about, you might well be the biggest one! And, as I wrote, "you seem to know nothing about N. American Indians and Immigration Law!" And, it seems you will continue to "know nothing!" Since you are a card carrying member of the real "Know Nothing" party! Oh! By the way, I send you the famous words of "Monte Python"; "I fart in your general direction!Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of Elderberries!" Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 05:40
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If this discussion continues at this level, I'll shut it down and send TGS and Opuslola to "Timeout".
Grow up folks. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 14:54
In 2008, whites were at 58%. That number includes not only the anglo quasi ethnic group but some near indigenous Hispanics and others who might self indentify as "white" incuding immigrant iranians, arabs, pakistanis, etc. What the number seems to indicate is that the law could not have passed without some degree of minority support.
I would really check that source. Hard drugs may still be illegal in Portugal. As a side note, the Netherlands has taken modest steps back from being a "any vice goes, anytime, anywhere" society. Also, several northeren California counties have re criminalized marijuana after liberalization did not lead to a pot paradise.
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 15:09
It has less to do with the percentage of public support and more to do with who controls politics in Arizona:
Republicans are in control in Arizona, and therefore got the law passed. Minorities do not typically vote Republican and certainly not in the numbers that you suggest. The Republican Party represents the White conservative population, where as the Democratic Party tends to represent minorities. So as we see here, those representing minority interests voted against the bill. So what public opinion is amongst minorities and whites is irrelevant as this was not passed based on a referendum. Cryptic, I highly recommend you read this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/opinion/02rich.html?ref=opinion
See here:
Drugs are in fact legal in Portugal and the results have been amazing! The same thing happened in England with marijuana. The trend in Netherlands is mostly due to more conservative elements taking control in politics rather than with the actual facts and results. The truth of the matter is that if you take the crime element out of the drug trade, violence and death rates will fall, and if you legalize drugs and educate people about them instead of punishing people and spreading propaganda, drug usage rates will also fall. |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 15:53
That is not legalization. Evidently, it is still illegal to sell, manufacture or import drugs such as heroin, cocaine and methamphetimines. It maybe illegal to buy them, especially in quantity.
That is old thinking. The voting patterns of hispanics and asians are more complex that that analysis. Even the total allegiance to the democratic party that blacks have dispalyed in waning. (did Blacks voted for the Democratic Party, or did they vote for Barack Obama who was democrat?) Actually, I hope the deomocratic party stu
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 15:56
Yes, large quantities are still illegal, but small quantities are legal. In the United States, someone can go to prison for possessing a few grams of marijuana! How ridiculous is that? Harsher laws are not working and have not been working for decades. We need to rethink this "war on drugs". And the same with this new Arizona bill, a law like the one passed will only hurt the cause of those trying to secure our borders, not help them. Go after the employers, and as for the drugs causing the violence, that is a different issue and is the result of our drug policy. |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 16:00
I bet that it is also illegal to sell any quanitity of heroin, cocaine or methamphetimines.
I agree, but only to a degree. Decriminalizing personal use possession of marijuana is fine. Creating legalized opium dens may social concequences that progressives ingore.
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 16:02
Not true at all. Polling still shows that the Republican Party's supporters are overwhelmingly White American, and polling shows that a large part of the Democratic Party's supporters are in fact, minorities. Blacks have always traditionally voted Democrat in huge numbers. Please read the link I posted above in my earlier post to understand the politics behind the Arizona law and who voted for it and what their beliefs are.
Worse than the problems we have right now? Sorry to break it to you, but our harsh laws against drugs seem to have made things worse and the social consequences have been disastrous (rise of gangs, violence, lack of respect for authority and the police, etc...) |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 16:07
I really hope that the Democratic party continues to take blacks for granted, especially after Barak Obama is gone. Then they can add to it by assuming that Hispanics are not swing voters.
As for the link, I will read it.
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 02-May-2010 at 16:13
And how is the Democratic Party taking blacks for granted?
Hispanics are now the single largest minority ethnic group in the country, and they are supporters of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has support amongst the Latino (Cuban) communities in Florida but thats about it. At the pace the Republican Party is going, I dont see it having any type of future as a major party in the United States in the next couple decades, and certainly by 2050. ----------------------------------- Here are the statistics: 85% to 95% of Blacks vote Democrat (in the recent Presidential election this number was more than 95%) Hispanics who vote Republican do so mostly for religious reasons, and socially Hispanics tend to be conservative. However, the majority of Hispanics tend to vote Democrat, up to 70% and more. All Hispanic groups aside from Cuban Americans have dependably voted Democrat (younger Cuban Americans are also shifting towards the Democratic party). And as the immigration debate is heating up, the Republican Party is losing even more Hispanic voters. In 2006 the Democratic Party won 62% of the Asian American vote and Asian American support for the Democratic party continues to rise every year. Just like blacks, Native Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat, at around the same percentage as blacks. 70% of Jews vote for the Democratic Party. By the way, the Democratic party is the largest party in this country and nearly 45% of Americans are registered Democrats. The Republican Party is alienating a huge chunk of the population. Furthermore, the Republicans are also losing the youth vote. Younger Americans have consistently voted Democrat since 1992 and their support for the Democratic party rises every year. In fact, 66% of America's youth voted for Obama. Believe me, the way things are going, the Republican Party will cease to exist as a political force in the coming decades. However, with that said, Most independents tend to vote Republican but their numbers are not enough to counter the growing minority population in this country, which will eventually surpass the White population. These minorities will overwhelmingly vote Democrat. |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 09:50
Sounds like the same claims the Republicans made about Democrats after the Reagan Revolution. But then, you are probably too young to remember
. I really hope that your exhuberance and uhmm... "confidence" is shared by the Democratic Party leadership. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 10:06
Republicans say a lot of things, mostly lies. Its been 20 years and the statistics have been consistently in the Democrats favor and since the 80's the Democrats keep gaining more and more voters while the Republicans are actually losing votes. I posted the statistics, you take it however you want, but the truth is the truth and the facts are the facts, I know this logic may seem confusing to you. The 80's was a different era. Many Hispanics and Asians voted Republican because of their anti-communist sentiments. This is no longer the case as communism has collapsed for the most part almost everywhere. In today's world, reality, the Democratic Party represents the majority of Americans and their numbers continue to grow while the Republican Party is refusing to adapt to reality. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 10:22
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A Native American's view!
http://http://vdare.com/yeagley/indian_view.htm - http://vdare.com/yeagley/indian_view.htm Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 16:06
A racist is running for the Governorship of Arizona  (video of him posing and talking with neo-Nazi's and confederate flag waving racists). The crazy thing that he is the most popular Republican in the state according to polling.http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/next-arizona-how-about-governor-joe Also, it turns out another Arizona Republican leader has interests with racist groups, he follows several of them on twitter: http://gawker.com/5529952/arizona-republican-leader-follows-white-supremacist I also posted another article above talking about the backgrounds of the very Republicans who voted for such a bill. |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 19:53
Not different at all. You need to look at core concepts more. The 1980s and 2008 are very similar. For example:
-One party representing a socio economic political world view wins big due to a rival's incompetence and drift to the extremes
-They become "dizzy with success"
-They cant conceive that they will make mistakes or face a competent opponent
-Some members even start to believe ther own propaganda about their inherent supereority
Yes, I have read your posted statistics. I can accept the temporary reality of the statistics while also realizing that future social trends are very hard to predict, even for high IQ atheists.
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 19:57
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TGS wrote a while ago;
"The 80's was a different era. Many Hispanics and Asians voted Republican because of their anti-communist sentiments. This is no longer the case as communism has collapsed for the most part almost everywhere. In today's world, reality, the Democratic Party represents the majority of Americans and their numbers continue to grow while the Republican Party is refusing to adapt to reality." And, unfortunately TGS, it seems the majority of those deep within the Obama administration are at heart "communists!" So maybe America of the 1980's might well become motivated again? I think the old TV episode was entitled "The Enemy Within?" (Star Trek) Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 03-May-2010 at 22:18
There are so many flaws in this post, I'll go through them one by one:
Not at all.
Your first flaw is assuming that the Democrats have a different socio economic political world, as in extremely different. This is not true. Its conservative propaganda, they've called the Democrats communist so much that they actually believe they are...
Nobody is dizzy with success, as a matter of fact, Obama has fallen behind in many of the things he promised to do because the Republican Party is blocking everything it can and slowing down the process. This is a good thing, as it makes the Republicans look bad and makes the Democrats look good and actually prevents them from getting "dizzy with success" by making them work harder.
There is no competent opponent, and who says they cant conceive that they will make mistakes? You?
What propaganda about inherent superiority are you talking about? This is flawed in that you are assuming that "superiority" has to do with wanting to help other human beings. My suggestion is that you stop making assumptions and actually try to base your argument on solid facts.
Again, the flaw in your logic is that you are assuming these statistics just came out of the blue. The statistics today are the way they are because they've been heading that way for 20 years now. Asians and Hispanics have been flocking to the Democratic Party in large numbers since the 80's, the statistics show this. As for other minority groups, they've consistently voted Democrat. Do not make the mistaken assumption that these statistics are just a one time thing, these statistics are in fact a result of a trend towards greater support for the Democrat Party and a loss of voter base from the Republican Party. This trend is continuing, especially amongst minority groups. Look at the demographics of the Tea Party movement for example, almost completely white and Republican. Why do you think that is? Its because minorities are finding it harder and harder to identify themselves with the Republican Party's platform. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 04-May-2010 at 12:33
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Dear TGS, I just wanted you to know how I really feel about you!
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=1&oq=youve+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS315US315&q=you%27ve+got+a+friend+in+me Seriously! You have responded very well in defending your position, and mostly you did it with grace! So, take the above anyway you want, but all Conservatives can call you a friend, because we will defend your right to defend your position to the death! I have enjoyed the reparte"! Regards as always! PS, I was going to send you "Short People" but I have no idea just how tall you are! Oh! The same to you also cryptic and eagle cap, etc.! Except for the "Short People" part! Laugh! %20 - http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=1&oq=youve+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS315US315&q=you%27ve+got+a+friend+in+me  ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 04-May-2010 at 13:49
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TGS please stop throwing the race card! It seems you are very obsessed with it and anything white conservatives do is racist such as the Tea party. Do you know what La Raza stands for? The media seems to have ignored the violence caused by rock throwing illegals in Phoenix. I know this group only represents a small % and most illegals would avoid this violence.
If you watch the video Arpaio and Montgomery both deny any connections with these neo Nutzies. How do we really know they are Nazi but maybe they are Neo-commies trying to make Arpaio look bad. I will look more into this to see if these men supports the Nazi movement or if is false. I hate NAZI’s so if this is so then of course I will not vote for such men. I support the Arizona law which mirrors Federal law but the latter is not being enforced because of special interests such as Agri Business. My sister in law is Mexican American and she supports it and my girl friend is half Mexican and she does, I love Mexicans. They both have degrees and are very educated so are they racists in your opinion? The President of the Minute Men is Mexican American and the County commissioner of Canyon County in Idaho is 100% Mexican American and he supports such laws. They are American first and foremost so please stop with the race baiting. I will consult with Red Clay about this! I have spent time in Mexico to help build shelter, homes, provide food; clothing, toys and other support- have you????? I hope to go down sometime soon to visit orphanages and help in other ways, maybe this summer. I don't care where people come from as long as they are here legally!!!!!! ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 04-May-2010 at 14:32
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TGS,
Our conversations in this particular thread have become pointless. I was hoping for something more.
Lets just say that ..... I was so overwhelmed by your statements that I am speechless
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 04-May-2010 at 14:46
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It seems my friend, you have this entire section to yourself!
That is, unless it is closed! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 04-May-2010 at 15:34
I agree - it is all yours TGS ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 04-May-2010 at 16:42
I'm just going to quote Bill Maher: ""I would never say and I have never said, because it's not true that Republicans, all republicans are racists. That would be silly and wrong. But now days, if you are racist, you're probably a Republican. And that is quite different." The fact that conservatives like you want to sweep racism on the rug and pretend like its no longer an big part of American society astounds me and is frankly very frightening. Racism is still around, is is a big part of what is going on in our society here today. I just posted above, a video of a sheriff who is running for the governorship of Arizona and who is also the most popular Republican in the state with a 70% approval rating, who stops, talks to Neo-Nazi's and poses for pictures with them. Yet this does not shock you?! I also posted an article regarding how a Republican politician who supported this new law follows two racist groups on his twitter page. This does not shock you?! I also posted an article which talked about the backgrounds of more of these Republican politicians who pushed this thing through... I guess none of you bothered to read any of them. I will pull the race card whenever I see fit! Free speech right? Whats your problem with me doing that? If the guy is a racist, I'm gonna call him a racist.
No, that was the public video taken by a News Crew. The second video is after the rally and is an amateur video. IN PUBLIC THEY LIED, AFTERWARDS ARPAIO WENT AND TALKED TO THEM AND POSED FOR PICTURES WITH THEM.
Yes, just sweep racism under the rug...So you think that after only 40 years since the Civil War movement everything is ok now? Delusional...
Once again... I dont care who YOU know. Who YOU know means nothing to mean. Furthermore, if the employment of illegal immigrants is the problem (which it is, if there were no jobs, illegals wouldnt be coming here) THEN GO AFTER THE BUSINESSES, but Republicans dont want to do that...why? Race baiting? Race baiting who? I can't have my opinion? Looks like you guys arent constitutionalists at all? IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING YOU DONT HAVE TO READ IT, AND I'M NOT BREAKING ANY FORUM RULES, SO EITHER ABUSE YOUR MODERATOR POWER TO SHUT ME UP, OR ACCEPT THE FACT THAT I HAVE SOMETHING CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF OPINION.
What do I care? Why are you so insecure and feel like you have to show me that you're not racist? Who ever called you a racist in the first place? I COULDNT CARE LESS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE OR WHO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT IN QUESTION HERE SO QUIT IT, I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE.
I completely agree. Having a discussion with people who dont use facts or sources and refuse to read anything or acknowledge when they are wrong is truly pointless. HEY EAGLECAP YOU RESEARCH THAT STUFF ABOUT TAXES UNDER OBAMA YET? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT IT? |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 05-May-2010 at 09:28
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I've seen all I need to, thread closed. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |