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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Topic: Why Greeks dont request to be called Hel Posted: 26-May-2005 at 04:09 |
For a long time Iranians were known as Persians especially in the west but 70 years ago in these days we requested to be called Iranians (as we call ourselves) instead of Persians and our country Iran instead of Persia, why Greeks don't request it? and also other nations who are called with different names?
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:20 |
http://www.biologydaily.com/biology/Hellenes :
According to Thucydides, Hellenes were the people of Hellas. Greek mythology states that they were named after Hellen. A more scientific approach considers this an aitiological myth, placing the origin of the name in Epirus, the land of the Dorians, where people were called Selloi or Helloi. The etymology of the term is *sedlnes, meaning "settlers" (from the PIE root *sed, "to sit"). The spread of the worship of Zeus in the rest of Greece (based in Dodoni), the Dorian tendency to form amfictionies and the increasing popularity of the Delphic religion caused the name to refer to all people today known as Greeks (that name having come from the Graikoi people who were, according to Aristotle, the inhabitants of a city in Boeotia named Graia, before the deluge of Deucalion).
As I said here, there are some similarites between Greeks and Gilakis, the word Giloi in Gilaki language (and also Persian) means Soil / Clay, and as you know the words Soil (Solum in Latin) and Seat (Solium in Latin) have the same root, so I think both Greek and Hellen mean "Settler".
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Yiannis
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:23 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
, why Greeks don't request it? |
Because it doesn't really matter! I mean, at least I don't mind and changing people's habits, not to mention vocabulary is too difficult, so you can continue calling us Greeks
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:43 |
When someone is calling me Greek I am always correct him. In my work and my writtings I always use the words "Hellen" and "Helenic". I dont like very much to be called as Greek but I dont get angry neither. When someone is calling me Yunan or Yunanli, I dont mind at all, because I m Yunanli, I originate (a part f me) from the Yunan tribe of Hellenes (Iones) and since for the Anatolian people Yunan = Hellens I dont care much. But I m trying to change it and correct people. Iones were part of the Hellens. Greeks were part of the Hellenes. Macedonias, Athinians, Lakedemones, Cretans, Molossi, Leleges, Kares and many other tribes constituted the nation of the Hellenes. We the Hellenes we call the Frenchs as Galli and their country as Gallia. And we do the same for many other people and countries, which is not totally correct.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:46 |
And something else....we dont request because nations have the right to call us as they want (always within some limits) ....but the last at least 10 years a silent campaign started for changing the name. Officially my country and state use the name Hellas and not Greece...
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 06:56 |
Why,it really does not matter.Most Hellens have used to it and so the goverment.The important things is for foreign people to know that the name Hellas corresponds to Greece.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 17:25 |
"settlers" (from the PIE root *sed, "to sit")
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wow
even in modern Macedonian language settler's have e a meaning of
naseleni and the verb sed for to sit is sedi
what is as my little silly words meaning theory based
on word deviations have to explain via dulalistic for
X-K's
Helleni
Kselleni
Question I have ask myself was whart kind of ...
History does give an evidence of
kind of out side people or incoming triebes at Balkanian Peninsula or simply arrivels at foreign to them territhories
Another view could be make by logic of hronological issues
If someone is in settlers position first of all must to make
some moving
Move from one to another place
in my Macedonian language on move have the meaning of selli se
If we try to reach the past we could note that were a small
number of different triebs what have had sttle down and around at
the area what afrer
had been named as Hellas
Hronologicly would be
firstly is on move - selli
secondly -to take a sit or sedi
Some very close to my modern language PIE roots
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 17:49 |
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
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even in modern Macedonian language settler's have e a meaning of
naseleni and the verb sed for to sit is sedi
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Many IE languages have the same word (or a derivation thereof) for 'to sit', including English, Scandinavian, German and as you showed apparently some Slavic languages too.
And please don't use italics, makes it hard to read.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 17:54 |
I don't have any problem to be called Greek. I don't know what's the problem with this. A great percentage of Greeks don't like it. During the revolution against the Turks the name Graikos was widely used amongst the Greeks. I like both Greece and Hellas, Greeks and Hellenes.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 18:58 |
Why this word as possible root for pointed meaning
Explaination via comparing could be as follow
When today someone will move from his motherland into Usa or
other English speak countries those ones must to faced a big
*Aborigine eyes what will witness the "move in situation" and using
their own English language shell make a statement as settlers
immigrant
Maybe something simmilar had happent one up one a time back
in *Macedonian Paninsula , where my father fathers as native
residents had withessed the times when move in and
settling situations happent ,what been memorised via the word
helleni meaning settlers or immigrant what had
colonised the areas what they reached
Hellens or foreners have had settled or established and stable in one's residence or life style
Life stile of Paterism and A form of social organization in which a
male is the family head and title is traced through the male line
instead of previous one
Styrbiorn
italics will be no more
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 19:10 |
why Greeks don't request it?
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if someone have more than one name than why should take care about it's naming
Hellens
Romaioi
Greeks
No one name have root in their native mother thounge language
But persons with more names usually does not have real one
nations with more then one should be named as nameless nation
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 03:20 |
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
Hellens Romaioi Greeks No one name have root in their native mother thounge language
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Actually the first and third do have, it's just that you lack the basic inteligence to comprehend it...
So far your whole contribution to this forum has been to (try to) insult Greece or mindlessly interfere in (more or less) serious discussions and post nonsense. I'd advise you (once again) to read and adhere to the forum rules, since you're violationg them very often and that can have grave consequences for your presence in this forum. Grow up!
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 09:11 |
As they say, a dear child has many names .
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 11:06 |
Let's see, well according to the Turkish Sun God theory,
Greece is actually a corruption of the Turkish words GARA AY KOZ that mean "black moon eye'
Crazy theory
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
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Hellens
Romaioi
Greeks
No one name have root in their native mother thounge language |
You may receive some light (knowledge), dear friend. Where? but from Hellas.
Hellas= 'elios' + 'laas' = sun + rock = literally meaning "land of sun"
metaphorically 'land of knowledge' (light=knowledge)
Graikos = Graia = (grey) name for the inhabitants of Graia a town in
Boeotia. Just like Hellines was used at one time to describe the
inhabitants of a town in Thessaly.
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 18:21 |
Will you please note what I have stated is
No one name have root in their native mother thounge language
instead of
no one name have meaning in their mother thounge language
edit should stay for
tongue instead of thounge
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 18:34 |
Cyrus Shahmiri
Will you tell us why your people has made such a request
Does Iranian as name have something to do with religion or the main reason
supposed to be the way how you are calling your
selves with out exeption of any strange and out side for
you names ,as your national ones
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 18:46 |
"rulles violationg "
I am wondering what will follow after my last post
Homer MakeDonski has raped un underage grandmother via mobile
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 19:10 |
Well, what can I say.
Many oppinions, many views, some agree, some don't, and some just don't care.
And the odd FYROMite killing some time...
Why Greeks don't care about being called Greeks?
There is a status quo about the name "Greek" nowadays; it has been
included in so much text, both printed and electronic, that it would be
just silly to attempt to disown it.
It is not provocative or controversial for either the Greeks or anyone
else around the globe (unlike some other names, e.g. "Macedonia"), so
nobody has a problem to either say it or hear it.
It does not belong to taboo words (e.g. "nigger" - only blacks can be
called niggers between them, and if a white or other-coloured person
utters it, someone will be offended).
It pays respect to an empire (the Roman one, that is) that used it to describe a nation instead of persecuting it via its name.
It is easily pronounced, whereas the word "Hellen" sounds like "Helen" and that is a girl's name. And the Greeks nowadaya don't pronounce it "Hellen" but "Ellinas" and that would just confuse things for everyone.
Finally, it is easier to say "a greek coffee" instead of "a hellenic coffee" or "an elliniko coffee".
I hope this makes things clearer.
If not, well, I tried...
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Posted: 28-May-2005 at 08:53 |
Greece and Hellas are two names with ancient roots. The people who don't have a nation and they try to create an imaginary one is the Slavs of FYROM.
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Posted: 29-May-2005 at 01:30 |
When did the term
Romaioi fall into dis-use.
During the Turcokratia (sp?) which term was used more by the Greeks to identify themselves as?
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