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    Posted: 25-Nov-2015 at 01:23
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis


SEE:'' Al Nusrah Front fights Iraqi militia in Aleppo''

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/11/al-nusrah-front-fights-iraqi-militia-in-aleppo.php[/URL]

I don't think Aleppo is ruling by one force. By the way, Al Nusrah Front is another type of ISIS. 

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There is an operation in Turkoman land. 

But still Turkey is divided, some people think that region is controlled by Al Nusrah, some people think that Russia attacking Turkomans

But the point is not about directly Syria, 

It is about Turkey's border-airspace issue. After the recent airspace violation, Turkey declared that they will protect own airspace aggressively And Russian Jet have been warned 9-10 times
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''And for Assad, passing to Syrian Desert and taking ISIS capital Raqqa can not be the first act. Taking second biggest Syrian city Aleppo is more important. ''

I concur...Tho AQ proxies are hard at work.

The agenda for Aleppo is Assad-Russian-Iranian one.

The wild Cards? Numerous.

Yet ISIS still gains.... as the diversion/strat of conflicting agendas....based on the lack of major American leadership....well serves them... before others.

SEE:'' Al Nusrah Front fights Iraqi militia in Aleppo''


http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/11/al-nusrah-front-fights-iraqi-militia-in-aleppo.php[/URL]

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 24-Nov-2015 at 19:21
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This would happen soon or late. 

There were no real ceasefire between Assad-Russia and Free Syrian Army-West block. Russia is attacking ISIS and as well as other Anti-Assad Rebels. 

And for Assad, passing to Syrian Desert and taking ISIS capital Raqqa can not be the first act. Taking second biggest Syrian city Aleppo is more important. 

This is the fire which can be see miles miles away. 

In the short term, Russian Jet crossed the Turkish Borders and Turkey pissed off. Just a few days ago, Turkey warned Russia "you are attacking Turkmens in Syria".

then now...




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They certainly have a history of provocation; and have no doubted adopted, under Putin, the old style Soviet military aggression to state their agenda.

Europe and the US were warned. And appeasement or deflection will not serve.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense-news/2015/10/08/turkey-now-theater-west-russia-dispute-over-syria/73567034/


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/russian-bombers-penetrated-us-airspace-least-16-ti/


http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/bully-baltics-kremlin%E2%80%99s-provocations


http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-violates-finnish-airspace-sixth-time-year-330105



http://www.ibtimes.com/despite-nato-warnings-russia-has-history-violating-airspace-turkey-baltics-2198519
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Finally someone did it. Russian airfocrces for over a year are provoking such situations but so far noone in Europe had balls big enough to show them that violating NATO's country airspace is a bad idea. There were countless violations of the airspace of Baltic states.
Even when Russians on the Estonian territory have kidnapped an Estonian secret services officer nobody did say anything. But the Turks are a proud nation and did show Putin that in the Turkish airspace only such foreign military aircrafts can fly which got their permission.

Well done.
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It could be "shits happen" i hope.Regards C.V.Hope those insane acts will gone soon as it possible.
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I cant say yet my old friend ...sources will vary..and culpability is yet to be determined. Certainly the Turks have an inherent right to defend their airspace. Denials will be manifold.

But this I know..... the 'Russian' agenda is not that of Turkey independently or as a NATO member. or for that matter the Israeli's. Neither is Iran's or Assads.

I also know the Turk's have superbly trained airmen and I'm inclined, based on my knowledge of them and especially their training, to believe their version.

But mistakes are often made. And without a 'no fly' zone established along that frontier...SHITT happens.

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unnecessary act or just a decoy?!?
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''Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Fighter ''

'Lions and Tigers and Bears...oh my.'

Whether it was in or out... will depend on an objective review.

Ntl...the shitt in the pot just got thicker.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-syria-border-1448356509
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-syria-border-1448356509

Edited by medenaywe - 24-Nov-2015 at 14:32
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