African Villages in Iran
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Topic: African Villages in Iran
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: African Villages in Iran
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2005 at 10:55
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Some relate Africans of Iran to the Thonga-Bantu cultures of southeastern Africa and it is said that these blacks were brought to the Persian Gulf by Portuguese slave traders as early as the sixteenth century, they are called Ahl-i Hava (Followers of the winds), they worship the Winds and drink the fresh blood because they believe that the drinking of fresh blood will bring down the Wind! However they are very poor people and may look uncivilized but native Iranians of southern Iran have been greatly influenced by African culture of these peoples, for example popular music of Bandari which is considered to be an Iranian or Arabic music, is in fact an African music. ( http://www.mahour.com/sounds/boushehr/bandari.ra - a sample of Bandari Music ) There are two types of African villages in Iran: 1.Toup-Neshin:
2.Kapar-Neshin:
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Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2005 at 11:13
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Cyrus, you guys are everywhere 
Even my Boss is Iranian. |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2005 at 19:07
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Iraq has even more, they even had a massive slave rebellion and its own dynasty back int eh day, the Zenj rebellion I think. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2005 at 23:46
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and they got the iranian passports?
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2005 at 03:45
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These types of African villages can be just found in Baluchistan of Iran and Pakistan (In Pakistan they are called Sidi -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1869876.stm - Pakistan's Sidi keep heritage alive ) You can see the influence of African architecture in this huge castle in the Baluchistan of Iran:
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Posted By: chessrook1
Date Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 12:41
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That’s interesting. There was a BBC article awhile back about black people in India who are of African origin. Their ancestors were sold as slaves I think by European or Muslim merchants to serve as bodyguards or workers to India’s rulers (I forgot their title). I don’t have the article link at the moment but their descendents are now completely "Indianized" now. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 04:43
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Hmm IIRC this was in Pakistan, Karachi to be precise, they are
relativly Indianised, but still retain a sprinking of some African
traditions.
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Posted By: Saki
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2005 at 19:06
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During the War my family evacuated Khuzistan thanks to Soddom, and wound up in Tehran as refugees for 5 years. They lived with two african Families in their corridor!
East Africans are well known to Kerman Historically since they frequently though nominally slaves occupied administrative roles for noted families. These were typically Ethiopian Africans. This is recorded in 18-19 C. They were also prolific in numbers in the Courts as Eunuchs. No descendents have as yet been traced! See Persia and the Great Game: Percy Sykes Consul, Adventurer, General Colonial Bully Boy and Spy. ------------- Knowledge is power, and power is the knowledge of when not to use it. |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 10-Apr-2005 at 12:42
I don't know if the situation has changed now but there was a big controversy surrounding them some time back. While they were no-longer slaves since the 19th century Pakistan still had inherited debt laws and these people were bonded labour for life, generation after generation on debt of there ancestors since the abolishion of slavery. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Jazz
Date Posted: 10-Apr-2005 at 15:26
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Wasn't there an African tribe called the Zanj that was moved to a part
of Iran to work as slaves?...I remember once reading of a revolt
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 10-Apr-2005 at 20:29
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yes, in Iraq it was. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 03:31
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Interesting topic, I've never heard about them until now. Thank you again Cyrus!
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Posted By: calvo
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 06:45
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Everyday I learn something new. I never knew that black african slaves were sold to the Middle East and India; I only knew of their presence in North Africa and America.
Have these Black Africans kept their identity up to the present day in Iran?
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Posted By: Conservative
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 23:03
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Ive heard of them but never seen any. Interesting topic. ------------- ایران‌ زمین |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2008 at 00:47
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I have seen darker people (Really black not brown) in Bandar Abbas, and they spoke arabic not Iranian or african language. I think they came with Arabs and settled on very southern Iran. Arabs were famous for having African slaves and selling slave back then.
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Posted By: jfsndvs
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 00:43
Here is an article on Malik Ambar, who was from Ethiopia and became ruler of an Indian state: http://www.hindu.com/mag/2008/10/12/stories/2008101250220700.htm - http://www.hindu.com/mag/2008/10/12/stories/2008101250220700.htm
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