What about Karabakh?

since we are in wonderland here it goes...

Noah was Armenian, and since everyone in the world has died except Noah (and his family), the whole world is Armenian. Turks are just misbehaving Armenian children of Noah...it happens sometimes, no big of a deal...

     Claiming "Turkic pride" is like Armenians claiming "Aryan pride" and saying that our people are also everywhere, and that we are a "great nation". What I'm trying to say, is that arguing by claiming your pride will take this discussion nowhere

     About the pictures, what mamikon is saying is that there are many photos of Armenians massacred by Azeri soldiers. Thats why it is better to exchange facts about the events rather than compare photo albums.

Originally posted by erkut prsn41ife yes we are anatolian, european ,asian.. We are great Turks we are in ewerywhere. And we have our own lanuage dont need yours

you cannot be anatolian and turkic. thats like saying that afghans are iranic and turkic. they can only be one.

you are either of turkic origion or anatolian origion. you cannot be both.

face the facts people...we are all African

face the facts people...we are all African

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agree)))))

what are you talking about?

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I am talking about migration and assimilation process across a world. There was anglosakson tries in british ilands but approximately 1000 years ago normand tribes moved to british ailands and conguer Britan. Since that moment the assimilation of anglosakson tribes, celts and normands started, and now we have english nation which has at least two roots.

 

Same with azeri and anatolian turks.

Azeri turks has two roots as well: 1 - turcik and 1 -aryan ( albans, atropats).

If the historical rules apply on Karabakh as the Azeris claim, then I guess it's OK for Armenia to reclaim the entire Eastern Turkey.

The fact still remains that Karabakh Soviet (with its Armenians, 80% of the Mountainous Karabakh) in 1988, in accordence to the valid USSR law, did vote for separation from the Azerbaijani SSR and its inclusion into the Armenian SSR; the clashes started before there were any Armenian or Azerbaijani independent republics. Hence, the Mountainous Karabakh has de facto never been a part of the independent Republic of Azerbaijan.

The you got the paradox of "Territorial integrity" vs "Self-determination". Mountainous Karabakh was an "autonomous republic" under jurisdiction of the Azerbaijani SSR, not an integral part, province or anything else. Therefore, the Karabakh autonomous republic had all right to decide it's belonging.

Artsakh, or as it's called in Turkish, "Gharabagh" (Balck garden), has always been an integral part of the Armenian kingdoms and was the last semi-independent Armenian ruling region (then within the Persian kingdom):

"These five principalities in Karabakh were ruled by Armenian families who had received the title Melik (prince) and were the following: the principality of Gulistan, under the leadership of the Melik Biglarian family, the principality of Djrabert under the leadership of the Melik Israelian family, the principality of Khatchen, under the leadership of the Hassan Djalalian family, the principality of Varanda, under the leadership of the Melik Shahnazarian and finally, the principality of Tizk, under the leadership of the Melik Avanian family.

http://www.armenica.org/cgi-bin/history/en/getHistory.cgi?7= =180