What about Karabakh?
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Topic: What about Karabakh?
Posted By: Alborz
Subject: What about Karabakh?
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2006 at 00:30
Okay this is another controvercial topic (and I hope it doesn't attract any "flamewars"). But let me put in my views.
I think what happened in Karabakh (basically between Armenian and R. Azerbaijan) was a tragic event in the region. I personally don't want another war happen. I hope the Azerbaijani leaders are smarter than that. (and lets hope foreigners, ie USA, Russia, Turkey, Iran..etc dont interfere).
having said that. I say Karabakh should NOT separate from the Republic. Why? because the muslim refugees should return to their home and live along with their armenian neighbours in Peace and vice-versa. The region is a dilute region. so no ethnicity should lay claims. The republic of Azerbaijan should democratize and snap out of its tribalist and chauvinist system. its only natural one day they will with the help of the people.
Both countries, Armenia and Azerbaijan, should make peace with each other and acknowledge each others' crimes. So thereafter, the healing process between the two historically close people can begin. finally.
these seem simple, they are. I realize the issue is far more complicated than anyone knows. But the end product should be reconcilation and co-existance. The only outcome.
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 21:33
"If we lose Karabakh, we will be turning the last page of the Armenian
History" - an unknown Armenian soldier fighting in Karabakh.
Source:
The Armenian and Azerbaijan Conflict: Causes and Implications, Michael P. Croissant
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Posted By: Artaxiad
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 22:25
An unkown soldier? I though Monte Melkonian said that...
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 23:20
well his name was not mentioned in the book. I can see why people
associate his name with the quote, but I believe that the book
would have known if the quote was really made by him. I dunno... maybe you are right.
Or maybe the author didnt disclose the name on purpose, since it would cause a furor, since for a time he was in ASALA...
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Posted By: Alborz
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 21:37
so are you saying karabakh should be part of Armenia?
------------- "Who so shall worship Ahura Mazda, divine blessing will be upon him, both while living and when dead" Darius The Great
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 00:41
yes, of course. It will not survive on its own. It has always been an
Armenian state...I see no way for Karabkh to be subjugated to Azeri
rule. They will be killed...and everyone knows this.
should the muslim refugees return home? yes
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Posted By: Alborz
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 01:13
"It will not survive on its own".
so how about staying with FSR Azerbaijan with the condition I gave above?
------------- "Who so shall worship Ahura Mazda, divine blessing will be upon him, both while living and when dead" Darius The Great
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 19:08
come on dude, look at what they have been doing to Armenian Khachkars.
Think what they would do to Armenians themsleves. No sane Armenian will
live under Azeri rule. What if Azeries come back to their lands,
and Karabakh join Armenia. How about that?
One question, if you were Armenian, would you live under that rule?
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Posted By: Alborz
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 01:05
again... what about the condition I gave?
"The republic of Azerbaijan should democratize and snap out of its tribalist and chauvinist system. "
------------- "Who so shall worship Ahura Mazda, divine blessing will be upon him, both while living and when dead" Darius The Great
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 02:16
If 75% of Population is Armenian and 25 % Azeri, wouldnt
the most sensible thing to do is live under Armenian rule?
who knows how long it would take for the Azerbaijan government to
democratize and snap out of its tribalist and chauvinist system
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Posted By: Attila2
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 09:08
once a time %25 of the population was armenian somewhere in the world
But they still insisted not to live under the rule of majority.
and it suddenly grew to %37-38 in one year(no,I dont think armenians had reproduced quickly ,so what did they do to enlarge the ratio of their population,shall not be discussed here.coz they will probably deny it -no offense- 
and after 15 years from the beginning of a century(I cant remember which century it is ) it degraded less than %5
hmm really interestingg ....
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 23:52
Originally posted by Attila2
once a time %25 of the population was armenian somewhere in the world
But they still insisted not to live under the rule of majority.
and it suddenly grew to %37-38 in one year(no,I dont think armenians had reproduced quickly
,so what did they do to enlarge the ratio of their population,shall not
be discussed here.coz they will probably deny it -no offense-
and after 15 years from the beginning of a century(I cant remember which century it is ) it degraded less than %5
hmm really interestingg ....
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once a time %90 of the population was armenian somewhere in the world
until they were exterminated and assimilated, so their population
dwindled to 25 %...and the 0.1%
if you are trying to refer to Karabakh please look at the official
numbers no Turkish/Azeri government...Karabakh was 94 % Armenian in
1920 and it 75% now, it is Armenian land, not Azeri...
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Posted By: Attila2
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2006 at 04:14
aha,also the armenian population ratio is %90 in Vietnam and Papua new guinea so those places are armenian land too eh?
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2006 at 06:41
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aha,also the armenian population ratio is %90 in Vietnam and Papua new guinea so those places are armenian land too eh?"
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Posted By: Artaxiad
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2006 at 19:51
aha,also the armenian population ratio is %90 in Vietnam and Papua new guinea so those places are armenian land too eh? |
Aside from being a majoritarily Armenian region throughout the centuries, Karabagh was historically Armenian.
Compared to the Armenians, Georgians, and Iranians, the Azerbaijanis are newcomers in the region.
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2006 at 11:39
Originally posted by Attila2
aha,also the armenian population ratio is %90 in Vietnam
and Papua new guinea so those places are armenian land too eh? |
huh?????
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 09:05
Hi there.
The karabagh never ever was a part of armenia. It's very simple to explain, because until 1918 there was not such political definition like country of armenia in caucauses. the armenians border was much more behind the cacucuses mountains.
Karabagh consists of two parts: 1- mountain's karabagh and 2- fields' karabagh. The population of big karabagh region which includes also Lachin, kelbejar,fizuli,zangelan and agdam districts as well was predomenantly azeri-muslim population. The total population was about 800.000 people and only 120.000 of them were armenians. At the moment there are exactly 800.000 azeri refugees from the karabagh.
historicaly, karabagh ( or arcax in ancient albanian langv.) always was part of albanian - azeri states. if you need any more information or details, i can easily provide you with them.
as for population of armenia itself, it is also very interesting story)))
100 years ago the population of armenia consists of 60% azeries , 25% armenians and 15% russsian, kurds, georgians and others.
now we have 0% of azeries in armenia. so during 100 years, they could transfer majority into zero in their country.
armenians in karabagh should clearly understand, that if they want their children live in piece and prosperity, they need accept the constituation of Azerbaijan Republic and confirm their acceptance of territorial integrity of their mother-land named Azerbaijan. from other side, the government of Azerbaijan should recognise armenian minority and provide them with maximum possibly status of autonomy within azeri borders.
unfortunately there is no other way to resolve this konflict piecefully. the only other way we have is war.
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Artaxiad
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 10:41
The karabagh never ever was a part of armenia. It's very simple to explain, because until 1918 there was not such political definition like country of armenia in caucauses. the armenians border was much more behind the cacucuses mountains. |
Isn't it the other way around? Until 1918, Azerbaijan was called Shirvan, and then Province of Baku. The Caucasus wasn't divided along ethnic lines, but between major cities (Yerevan, Tiflis, Baku, Elizavetpol) during Russian reign. Caucasians
What about all the Armenian churches located in the Republic of Armenia, which were built as early as the 4th century?
Karabagh consists of two parts: 1- mountain's karabagh and 2- fields' karabagh. The population of big karabagh region which includes also Lachin, kelbejar,fizuli,zangelan and agdam districts as well was predomenantly azeri-muslim population. The total population was about 800.000 people and only 120.000 of them were armenians. At the moment there are exactly 800.000 azeri refugees from the karabagh. |
It's the first time I'm that Karabagh was majoritarily Azeri, even from an Azeri. It is well known that prior to the war, Karabagh was 75% Armenian, and the rest was Azeri, Kurdish, etc.
historicaly, karabagh ( or arcax in ancient albanian langv.) always was part of albanian - azeri states. if you need any more information or details, i can easily provide you with them. | Actually, it was part of Armenia, and Artsakh is the way Armenians called it.
Whether it was part of Caucasian Albania or not, it doesn't make a difference. They had stronger cultural relations with Armenians than with Turks, because of their religion, alphabet, etc.
100 years ago the population of armenia consists of 60% azeries , 25% armenians and 15% russsian, kurds, georgians and others.
now we have 0% of azeries in armenia. so during 100 years, they could transfer majority into zero in their country. |
Where did you find those numbers?
Armenians were a large minority in Baku, Sumgait, and in other towns of Azerbaijan. What happened to them?
armenians in karabagh should clearly understand, that if they want their children live in piece and prosperity, they need accept the constituation of Azerbaijan Republic and confirm their acceptance of territorial integrity of their mother-land named Azerbaijan. from other side, the government of Azerbaijan should recognise armenian minority and provide them with maximum possibly status of autonomy within azeri borders. |
What makes you think that the Armenians of Karabagh will trust the Azerbaijanis after all that happened? Karabaghtsis are much smarter than that.
You should visit this site: http://www.nkrusa.org/nk_conflict/index.shtml
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 12:34
"Isn't it the other way around? Until 1918, Azerbaijan was called Shirvan, and then Province of Baku. The Caucasus wasn't divided along ethnic lines, but between major cities (Yerevan, Tiflis, Baku, Elizavetpol) during Russian reign. Caucasians"
Is the name of the country is important???? All countries which exist in azerbaijan land were azeri by political, etnicity and historical means.( Albaniya, Atropatena, Atabegs state,Eldigiz state,Shirvan-Shirvanshax state, Sefevid empire,azeri xanats,Azerbaijan Demokratic Republic, Azerbaijan SSR and Azerbaijan Republic). The bottom line is that azeri people lived in this region always despite the name of the country they build. Albanian state was formed 2300 years ago. There were 26 albanian tribes at that momnet and 5 of them were turkish speaking tribes. The one of the major tribe called khazar was turkish by etnicity. There were number of turkish oguz trbies which moved to Albania during VII-X c. and process of assimilation between albanians and turkish people was going on for a centures. Azeri nation has two roots - albanian and turkish, and of course turkish roots are more strength and more exist now, simply because their were more stronger and islam which been accepted by people of Albania unified them. This is simple.
Does name of Armenia was exist before 20th century????...no. Armenians had a different names of their states - Kingdom of Ani, Kingdom of Killikia, Urartu ( armenian sayas that urartu is armenian state but in fact it was multinational state ruled by juerish dinasty) ))
"What about all the Armenian churches located in the Republic of Armenia, which were built as early as the 4th century?"
it is not true. I explain why. Before 1441 the centre of armenian grigorian churche was located in Killikia and only in 1441 the armenian katolikos ( head of armenian churche) was moved to Echmiadzin near present Irevan and only since that moment they started to build armenian churches in this land. By saying this, I can't guarantee that there were not any armenian churche in caucause before. Of course they had their churches there, but not many, because they never had state in this region. Armenians lived in many part of Middle East and Asia. They even created their states in absolutely different locations. For example the kingdom of Killikia was about 2000 miles from kindgdom of Ani))))
"It's the first time I'm that Karabagh was majoritarily Azeri, even from an Azeri. It is well known that prior to the war, Karabagh was 75% Armenian, and the rest was Azeri, Kurdish, etc."
Yes if you are talking about Nagorny Karabagh ( mountains Karabagh) so yes the majority is armenian, but nagorny karabagh is only 3% territory of Azerbaijan. But right now armenians with help from russians occupied about 20% of azeri land which consists of Big Karabagh including those districts. So if we are talking about whole karabagh occupied by armenians there are absolutely majority of azeries.
"Actually, it was part of Armenia, and Artsakh is the way Armenians called it."
I am very sorry but if you don't have any real arguments,you can say that Karabagh was also part of China))))
As I said there was no such state Armenia in this land. Artsakh is the old albanian name and was small albanian kingdom inside of Albania state. And during 17th 18th and 19th centuries it was KArabagh xanat with khan named Panah khan Dzhevanshir Karabaxly and ruled by his family during more that 200 years. The roots of Panah Khan Dzhevanshir from one side coming from albanian royal family Mexranids and their last and most significant king Dzhevanshir Mexranid. His son was married on turkish princess and since that moment it's became a mostly turkish-azeri dinasty.
"Whether it was part of Caucasian Albania or not, it doesn't make a difference. They had stronger cultural relations with Armenians than with Turks, because of their religion, alphabet, etc."
It is tru and not true at the same time. There were three main nations in this region- albanians ( azeri) , iberians ( georgian) and hayks ( armenians). All three nations has a lot of simularity but at the same time a lot of differences. And the biggest difference between albanians and armenians was a religon, because armenians were monofizist and they build their own independent churche, but albansians and georgians were ortodoks and they stay within it till the end.
But after albanian and turks were assimilated and the turkish language and culture started to dominate and after of course the majority of former albanians became a muslim, the small part of them who wants to be continue christians became more and more closer to armenians. And it was finalised when in 1836 by the order of Russian ortodoks churche the Albanian Independetn Churche was closed and tagged to armenian churche.
"Where did you find those numbers? "
In Russian Imperial statistics archive. You can fidn it as well.)))
"Armenians were a large minority in Baku, Sumgait, and in other towns of Azerbaijan. What happened to them?"
Yes armenians started to arrive in Baku after oil discovery and there was a big armenian community in Baku. And I must confess that armenians in Baku were one of the richest community and they never had a problem. The armenian nachionalists dashnaks created all problems for armenians. After war on karabagh started, they been moved from Baku. But only after war started. Azeries were moved from Armenia during whole 20th century.
"What makes you think that the Armenians of Karabagh will trust the Azerbaijanis after all that happened? "
Common sence)))
they don't have any other choice to survive.
"Karabaghtsis are much smarter than that."
I don't think so my friend.
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 19:47
Originally posted by Qajar
Does name of Armenia was exist before 20th century????...no. |
Oh, really? Lets see:
Source: www.Armenica.org
All those maps even include Karabagh as part of Armenia. You can
check any map from any period...Armenians were always a relative to
absolute majority in the regions before the 20th century.
Originally posted by Qajar
t is not true. I explain why. Before 1441 the centre of armenian
grigorian churche was located in Killikia and only in 1441 the armenian
katolikos ( head of armenian churche) was moved to Echmiadzin near
present Irevan and only since that moment they started to build
armenian churches in this land. By saying this, I can't guarantee that
there were not any armenian churche in caucause before. Of course they
had their churches there, but not many, because they never had state in
this region. Armenians lived in many part of Middle East and Asia. They
even created their states in absolutely different locations. For
example the kingdom of Killikia was about 2000 miles from kindgdom of
Ani))))
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You are using irrelevent information to draw unusual parallels.
The seat of the church is only a political move, it does not tell us
anything about Armenia's history with Christianity and its subsequent
spread across the region. Socially and religiously, Christianity was a
huge part of Armenian culture from the 4th century onward. There are
plenty of churches in the region (including some in modern Azerbaijan),
and plenty more that have been destroyed in the past century. My proof
that they have been destroyed? Look at the destruction of Armenian
tombstones in Azerbaijan a couple months ago. Theres plenty more that
hasnt been caught on tape.
Even today, Armenia has 2 different seats for 2 different heads of the church. It is only political.
Originally posted by Qajar
Is the name of the country is important???? All countries which exist
in azerbaijan land were azeri by political, etnicity and historical
means.( Albaniya, Atropatena, Atabegs state,Eldigiz
state,Shirvan-Shirvanshax state, Sefevid empire,azeri xanats,Azerbaijan
Demokratic Republic, Azerbaijan SSR and Azerbaijan Republic). The
bottom line is that azeri people lived in this region always despite
the name of the country they build. Albanian state was formed 2300
years ago. There were 26 albanian tribes at that momnet and 5 of them
were turkish speaking tribes. The one of the major tribe called khazar
was turkish by etnicity. There were number of turkish oguz trbies which
moved to Albania during VII-X c. and process of assimilation between
albanians and turkish people was going on for a centures. Azeri nation
has two roots - albanian and turkish, and of course turkish roots are
more strength and more exist now, simply because their were more
stronger and islam which been accepted by people of Albania unified
them. This is simple. |
Trying to claim Albanian ancestry to prove Azeris rights to
the land does not work. Albanians were Caucasian Christians while
Azeris are Turkic Muslims whose cultural and linguistic roots are in
Asia. Prior to 1000 A.D., Albania had the closest cultural and
religious contacts and similarities with Armenia. The Albanian alphabet
was even created by an Armenian scholar (Mesrob Mashdots early 5th c.),
and their church liturgy followed Armenian traditions (and sometimes
used the Armenian language). Some Albanian churches have Bible verses
in the Armenian language carved on their walls. Albania had many more
parellels with Armenia than with Azeris.
Originally posted by Qajar
It is tru and not true at the same time. There were three main nations in this region- albanians ( azeri) |
Dont assume Albanians are Azeris. They were there centuries
before Azeris arrived, and as I have said, they had much more in common
with their Armenian neighbors.
Originally posted by Qajar
All three nations has a lot of simularity but at the same time a lot of
differences. And the biggest difference between albanians and armenians
was a religon, because armenians were monofizist and they build their
own independent churche, but albansians and georgians were ortodoks and
they stay within it till the end. |
So how does this make Albanians closer to Azeris who are Turkic
Muslims? You're drawing illogical parellels between Albanians and
Azeris, and you are assuming they are the same people when they clearly
are not.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 20:14
Hi. I am going to bed so I will reply tommorow. But before that I will ask you one question,please respond.
You said:
"So how does this make Albanians closer to Azeris who are Turkic Muslims? You're drawing illogical parellels between Albanians and Azeris, and you are assuming they are the same people when they clearly are not."
Can you please answer:
Do you accept iranians desiry at present time to claim Persia ancetry to prove their rights?
If your answer is yes, so please think about my second question:
Do you believe that modern muslim iranians are the same nation who lived in Persia a few thousands years ago?
If answer is yes, please explain how modern iranians who are muslim,with muslim believes ,traditions, culture, poetry and art can claim their rights for pre-islamic history of Persia?????))))))
thanks
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 20:31
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 20:35
Well done Russia & UK
forumers, Learn to how destroy unification of a Nation & turn them to enemy
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 20:37
@Qajar: Here is not Thread that you must answer me you may repost them here: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9339&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9339& ;PN=1&TPN=2
any way, I asked, REPUBLIC OF AZARBAIEJAN not ATROPATAN STATE
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 20:43
I will answer you tomorrow my "dear" pars brother!!!
But now I need go to bed. Sorry mate.))
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Artaxiad
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 23:00
Originally posted by Qajar
Hi. I am going to bed so I will reply tommorow. But before that I will ask you one question,please respond.
You said:
"So how does this make Albanians closer to Azeris who are Turkic Muslims? You're drawing illogical parellels between Albanians and Azeris, and you are assuming they are the same people when they clearly are not."
Can you please answer:
Do you accept iranians desiry at present time to claim Persia ancetry to prove their rights?
If your answer is yes, so please think about my second question:
Do you believe that modern muslim iranians are the same nation who lived in Persia a few thousands years ago?
If answer is yes, please explain how modern iranians who are muslim,with muslim believes ,traditions, culture, poetry and art can claim their rights for pre-islamic history of Persia?????))))))
thanks |
This is another one of your strange parallels. Iran was officially called Persia, until one of their later Shahs chose to call it Iran. That way, the country wasn't exclusive to ethnic Persians anymore, but to all Iranians. Iranian members might elaborate...
After Persia converted to Islam, the language - Farsi - remained intact (even though a lot of foreign words entered).
Same thing when Armenia converted to Christianity. Only the religion changed, but it was always the same people.
That wasn't the case in Albania.
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Posted By: Artaxiad
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 23:26
Is the name of the country is important???? All countries which exist in azerbaijan land were azeri by political, etnicity and historical means.( Albaniya, Atropatena, Atabegs state,Eldigiz state,Shirvan-Shirvanshax state, Sefevid empire,azeri xanats,Azerbaijan Demokratic Republic, Azerbaijan SSR and Azerbaijan Republic). The bottom line is that azeri people lived in this region always despite the name of the country they build. Albanian state was formed 2300 years ago. There were 26 albanian tribes at that momnet and 5 of them were turkish speaking tribes. The one of the major tribe called khazar was turkish by etnicity. There were number of turkish oguz trbies which moved to Albania during VII-X c. and process of assimilation between albanians and turkish people was going on for a centures. Azeri nation has two roots - albanian and turkish, and of course turkish roots are more strength and more exist now, simply because their were more stronger and islam which been accepted by people of Albania unified them. This is simple. |
This is only your version of history. Azerbaijan was an artificial state created in late 19th century, and early 20th century.
http://www.cilicia.com/History.htm/
Does name of Armenia was exist before 20th century????...no. Armenians had a different names of their states - Kingdom of Ani, Kingdom of Killikia, Urartu ( armenian sayas that urartu is armenian state but in fact it was multinational state ruled by juerish dinasty) )) | Kilikia was also called Lesser Armenia or Little Armenia. Search for Cilician Armenian coins. Coins used during Levon's reign said ''Levon Takavor Hayots'' (Levon, King of Armenians), not ''Levon, Takavor Giligio" (Levon, King of Cilicia)
Urartu and Armenia were synonymous, as shown on the Behistun carvings.
As I said there was no such state Armenia in this land. Artsakh is the old albanian name and was small albanian kingdom inside of Albania state. And during 17th 18th and 19th centuries it was KArabagh xanat with khan named Panah khan Dzhevanshir Karabaxly and ruled by his family during more that 200 years. The roots of Panah Khan Dzhevanshir from one side coming from albanian royal family Mexranids and their last and most significant king Dzhevanshir Mexranid. His son was married on turkish princess and since that moment it's became a mostly turkish-azeri dinasty. |
Have you heard of the 5 Armenian melikates, which had a strong influence in Karabagh and Syunik, and who ruled over the land for a small period of time under Davit Bek? "Armenians were a large minority in Baku, Sumgait, and in other towns of Azerbaijan. What happened to them?"
I don't think so my friend. |
I guess you're right. It doesn't take too much to beath Azeris on the battlefield.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 00:03
stop saying that qajar dynasty and safavid dynasty were an azerbaijani empire!
they were not! they were just azeri's who came to the throne of Iran, even they themselves considered themselves as part of Iran, and just another dynasty in the chain of dynasty's of iran (persia). there was no azerbaijani empire.
------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 00:07
Originally posted by Artaxiad
Originally posted by Qajar
Hi. I am going to bed so I will reply tommorow. But before that I will ask you one question,please respond.
You said:
"So how does this make Albanians closer to Azeris who are Turkic Muslims? You're drawing illogical parellels between Albanians and Azeris, and you are assuming they are the same people when they clearly are not."
Can you please answer:
Do you accept iranians desiry at present time to claim Persia ancetry to prove their rights?
If your answer is yes, so please think about my second question:
Do you believe that modern muslim iranians are the same nation who lived in Persia a few thousands years ago?
If answer is yes, please explain how modern iranians who are muslim,with muslim believes ,traditions, culture, poetry and art can claim their rights for pre-islamic history of Persia?????))))))
thanks
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This is another one of your strange parallels. Iran was officially called Persia, until one of their later Shahs chose to call it Iran. That way, the country wasn't exclusive to ethnic Persians anymore, but to all Iranians. Iranian members might elaborate...
After Persia converted to Islam, the language - Farsi - remained intact (even though a lot of foreign words entered).
Same thing when Armenia converted to Christianity. Only the religion changed, but it was always the same people.
That wasn't the case in Albania.
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in english, we call germany germany, because of the roman term germania.
but germans call germany dutschland.
its the same for iran. Persia comes from the greek term Persis, which came from iran's Pars (now fars) province which held the capital city of perspolis.
but iranians, even Cyrus the Great, have always called it Iran. the shah of iran in the 1930's decided for some reason (its not really evident why, but some speculate that the shah wanted to make closer ties with germany, therefore wanted to make it clear that Iran was also aryan) to make Persia known by its iranian name, which is Iran.
this has caused a lot of confusion, and now people are trying to use Persia in english again, to refer to Iran, and Iran in farsi, so people dont think that Persia is gone or that persians are not iranians.
------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 08:48
Originally posted by Artaxiad
I don't think so my friend. |
I guess you're right. It doesn't take too much to beath Azeris on the battlefield.
| yes expecially children and woman isnt it? Like youre hero's did in khojali...
that's not beating that's being a coward, brainless human, an armenian.
------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 12:16
haha, Quajar, I am assuming you got the maps from the same place.
Just look at the map that says "Albania III century B.C", and on the
map it says Urartu...which has been gone since 6th Century B.C.
Judging from that map, one can safely say that all others can in no way be trusted.
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 12:28
Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 16:56
"Talyshi sisters celebrating Norooz in Baku, shortly after they are attacked and brutally beaten to death by the fascist tatars. the pictures are too brutal to show to you my dear friends and forummers."
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You using talish sites which sponsored by iranians and armenians.))))
I never heard about this story of killed sisters in Baku)))
Can you please provide me with real photo of killed sisters???
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:06
Khojaly genocide At night from February 25 to 26 the Armenian armed forces occupied the town of Khojaly. The occupation was carried out with active support of several units of the Russian Army's 366th regiment. Occupation of Khojaly was followed with unprecedented brutalities against the civilian population. In a few hours the aggressors killed 613 innocent and unarmed people. Among them were 106 women, 83 children. 56 people were killed with special brutality. 8 families were totally exterminated. 25 children were totally, and 130 children were partly orphaned. 476 people became disabled persons (of them 76 were minors). 1275 people were taken into hostage and even though afterwards most of the hostages were released from captivity, the fates of 150 of them are still unknown.
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:14
This is how "great" armenian soldiers with help from RSSIAN ARMY killed azeri women and chlidren. And all this happened with support from Russia and Iran. It's understandble that Russia helped their christian ally in Caucause but how Iran could help armenians against muslim azeries, I still can't understand!!!!
shame on them both.
The situation was very tense. After ravaging the villages Gushchular and Malibayli, Armenians gathered all their forces in Khojaly direction. All the electric wires were cut. There wasn't electricity, bread, and food. The last helicopter flew away on January 29. On February 18, a military helicopter from Ganja landed in Khojaly airport. But these "comings" couldn't save the habitants from dangerThey were feeling great dangers. But they were helpless. The enemy had several tanks and armored carriers. They were feeling... There was a trouble ahead!!! February 25!... Khojalians didn't have any connection with neighboring regions, and in whole, with Azerbaijan. Having been forgotten by 'everyone, they were living the last hours there. The circle of blockade was narrowing. Khojalians sent SOS!!! to everywhere for help. Now Khojaly was quite helpless. Armenians were sure that in such a severe frost death rolls would be more than expected. It happened as they planned. About 10-11 o'clock in the evening began an awful attack: with the help of Russian militaries rabid Armenians attacked from 6 sides. Armenians wanted to deal cruelly with Turks. The night from 25th - to 26th February 1992 ended in tragedy for Khojalians. At midnight people under the bullet rain ran into the forests and mountains barefooted. The land called Motherland was in the hands of the enemy. Poor Khojalians didn't know that the tragedy was ahead. Running away wasn't a tragedy. In reality it was happiness that they could run away and save their lives. Khojalians left their full of houses, all their wealth. They couldn't even put on their warm dresses. Someone's money, wealth, someone's old and ill parents stayed in burnt houses. In this stampede someone lost their children and couldn't run...
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:21
I present you the incomplete list of killed azeri people in vilage of Khojaly. All these people were killed during a few hours by armenians and russian soldiers.
Before armenian started this massacre, their general said:" It is our time now take revange on turks and killed as many turk bastards as possible"
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------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:24
Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:26
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:29
You using talish sites which sponsored by iranians and armenians.)))) |
I've new Question besides your age, Are you Mollah?? Take ur chance & be one of them, you have this great ability yo think as them, They know all roots of problem is US, same you know roots of all problem is Iran & Armenia
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:32
AZERI-TURKISH BLOOD ON ARMENIAN AND RUSSIAN HANDS!!!!!
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:34
edit.
------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:37
Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 17:43
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 18:53
please stop with this propoganda...I can do the same thing to Azerbaijan using Armenian sites....
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:06
don't worry, I bet this topic will be closed very soon
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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:14
those are true pictures
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:18
please stop with this propoganda...I can do the same thing to Azerbaijan using Armenian sites....
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You can' t provide even one photo as a prove.
And why you are nervous now????...What's happened with you my anciant and civilised armenian friend????
Or only you can claim "genocide" and saying that turks always killed armenians?????
Now you got pictures of what your "civillised" nation did with turks in Caucauses.
Bu the main shame on pars chouvinists , who helping armenia to kill and massacre azeri-turks.
------------- Shah Ismail I Sefevid - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasti of Iran.
Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar - the founder of the greatest azeri-turk ruler dinasty in Iran.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:20
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Of course))))))...how it can be different. The stereotipe of "cevilised" aryan nations are crushed by watching such a terrible pictures.
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:20
right...I will just ignore your hate filled posts and let the Administrators handle it...
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:25
right...I will just ignore your hate filled posts and let the Administrators handle it...
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WHAT?????....Hate filled posts???????
So if armenians all over the world orginising photo-galleries and conferences, meetings against turks and comemorate "genoside" day - it is OK.
But if turks start provide a few photos of killed people - it's called "hate filled posts" and propoganda????????
Lets' mods to decide. But it is anniverssary of Khojaly massacre these days and we as a nation has a rights to comemorate it all over the world.
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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:27
We(Turks) are a great nation thats why everybody hates us.
Pars and Huys (anti Turks)
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:33
@Erkut: You have creative mind for fictions
@Qajar: b4 shouting go & read AE rules
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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:37
Why land of aryan
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Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:39
Qajar, you are a bad propagandist, really.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:41
We(Turks) are a great nation thats why everybody hates us.
Pars and Huys (anti Turks)
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100% agree. and moreover thaey not only hate us but afraid.)))
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:45
Originally posted by Qajar
We(Turks) are a great nation thats why everybody hates us.
Pars and Huys (anti Turks)
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100% agree. and moreover thaey not only hate us but afraid.)))
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funniest thing i have ever heard. thats why turkey was using the persian language till 1920. and who is afraid of who? i dont see any strong turkic nations...
and its funny, turks claim to be anatolian and turkic at the same time...s
so which one are you? when we talk about europe, turks say that most of turkey is anatolian and not turkic, and therefore are europeans. and then when it comes down to history, they claim they are turkic. so which are you?
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:46
i propose we make amerinian genocide denial illegal
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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:06
prsn41ife yes we are anatolian, european ,asian..
We are great Turks we are in ewerywhere. And we have our own lanuage dont need yours
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:12
We are great Turks we are in ewerywhere. And we have our own lanuage dont need yours
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Exactly my brother!!!!
We are turks and we are proud of it. We are europeans and asians as well. We are more than 200 millions all over the world.
The most popular frase in Azerbaijan about azeri-tukish relationships is:
"We are one nation and two states".
thant's it.
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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:16
Actually it becomed ''One nation tree states'' after Denkta gone to Baku. ''Tek millet devlet''
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:18
Actually it becomed ''One nation tree states'' after Denkta gone to Baku.
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You right)))) I forget about it.
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:22
since we are in wonderland here it goes...
Noah was Armenian, and since everyone in the world has died except Noah
(and his family), the whole world is Armenian. Turks are just
misbehaving Armenian children of Noah...it happens sometimes, no big of
a deal...
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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:26
Well if Hz.Nuh is Armenian want proof
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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:35
Claiming "Turkic pride" is like Armenians claiming "Aryan pride"
and saying that our people are also everywhere, and that we are a
"great nation". What I'm trying to say, is that arguing by claiming
your pride will take this discussion nowhere
About the pictures, what mamikon is saying is
that there are many photos of Armenians massacred by Azeri soldiers.
Thats why it is better to exchange facts about the events rather than
compare photo albums.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:52
About the pictures, what mamikon is saying is that there are many photos of Armenians massacred by Azeri soldiers. Thats why it is better to exchange facts about the events rather than compare photo albums.
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Agree. But before that, can you please as a matter of interests provide us with at least few photos of massacred armenians women, children and old men by Azeries????..Please, I insist you. If such pictures are painfull for you, you can send them to my email address if you want. I have never seen any photos of armenians massacre by azeries. I always hear words, words and again words.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:12
Originally posted by erkut
prsn41ife yes we are anatolian, european ,asian..
We are great Turks we are in ewerywhere. And we have our own lanuage dont need yours
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you cannot be anatolian and turkic. thats like saying that afghans are iranic and turkic. they can only be one.
you are either of turkic origion or anatolian origion. you cannot be both.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:16
you cannot be anatolian and turkic. thats like saying that afghans are iranic and turkic. they can only be one.
you are either of turkic origion or anatolian origion. you cannot be both.
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Really??...this is new theary?
Who are english nation???...can you explain the origin of english nation please?
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:17
face the facts people...we are all African
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:18
The english nation has two major roots: 1 -anglosakson and 2 - normands ( which came from continental europe). Normands and anglosaksons were lived a nundreds of miles from each other.
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:19
face the facts people...we are all African
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agree)))))
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:48
Originally posted by Qajar
The english nation has two major roots: 1 -anglosakson and 2 - normands ( which came from continental europe). Normands and anglosaksons were lived a nundreds of miles from each other. |
what are you talking about?
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Posted By: Qajar
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 21:59
what are you talking about?
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I am talking about migration and assimilation process across a world. There was anglosakson tries in british ilands but approximately 1000 years ago normand tribes moved to british ailands and conguer Britan. Since that moment the assimilation of anglosakson tribes, celts and normands started, and now we have english nation which has at least two roots.
Same with azeri and anatolian turks.
Azeri turks has two roots as well: 1 - turcik and 1 -aryan ( albans, atropats).
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 23:01
lol...wait
wait wait...England is just across the strait with the anglosaxons and
the Normands...while Mongolia is a long long long long long long
walking distance from Anatolia
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Posted By: armenica
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 03:03
If the historical rules apply on Karabakh as the Azeris claim, then I
guess it's OK for Armenia to reclaim the entire Eastern Turkey.
The fact still remains that Karabakh Soviet (with its Armenians, 80% of
the Mountainous Karabakh) in 1988, in accordence to the valid USSR law,
did vote for separation from the Azerbaijani SSR and its inclusion into
the Armenian SSR; the clashes started before there were any Armenian or
Azerbaijani independent republics. Hence, the Mountainous Karabakh has
de facto never been a part of the independent Republic of Azerbaijan.
The you got the paradox of "Territorial integrity" vs
"Self-determination". Mountainous Karabakh was an "autonomous republic"
under jurisdiction of the Azerbaijani SSR, not an integral part,
province or anything else. Therefore, the Karabakh autonomous republic
had all right to decide it's belonging.
Artsakh, or as it's called in Turkish, "Gharabagh" (Balck garden), has
always been an integral part of the Armenian kingdoms and was the last
semi-independent Armenian ruling region (then within the Persian
kingdom):
"These five principalities in Karabakh javascript top.Show('mapDiv','Karabakhs Five Principalities, 18th century'); -
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Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: 24-Jun-2010 at 10:27
Whith the same success can be said that arabian is the third root of azeri turks nation
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