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    Posted: 07-Sep-2013 at 08:39
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11 countries accept to attack syria  putin says any attack with out united nations permission about syria is illigel and in that case russia will help syria Pinch . now what ? do we are going to challenge russians  Directly ?Wacko

Actually, those 11 countries signed a document that says "an action has to be taken, concerning Syria" but there is no mention of military strikes...
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Because Sharia is anachronistic, barbaric, and has no place in a democratic society. Sharia is only good for theocracies, not democracies. Human rights and Sharia are incompatible, period.


I know that you yourself believe in more than 90 percent of the laws of Sharia, it says "don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't rape, ...", is it wrong? Of course there are also some laws in Sharia which really belong to the old times and unfortunately some Muslim bigots still strongly believe in them, the problem is bigotry and reactionary, not Sharia.
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

I know that you yourself believe in more than 90 percent of the laws of Sharia, it says "don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't rape, ...", is it wrong?

This is common sense. We don't need a "holy" set of laws that teaches us how to be morally perfect. If someone does, then that one needs not Sharia, but professional help.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Of course there are also some laws in Sharia which really belong to the old times and unfortunately some Muslim bigots still strongly believe in them, the problem is bigotry and reactionary, not Sharia.

But isn't Sharia supposed to be a perfect and holy set of laws that stands the test of time?

Didn't know that you're an apologetic, Shahmiri.


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Originally posted by Shamshir

This is common sense. We don't need a "holy" set of laws that teaches us how to be morally perfect. If someone does, then that one needs not Sharia, but professional help.


The problem is not that we need or we don't need, the problem is that this holy set of laws exists and hundreds millions people believe in it, it is somehow impossible that we want to change their belief, we should fight against extremism, a large number of moderate Muslims live all around the world and there is no problem about them.
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Originally posted by yomud

11 countries accept to attack syria  putin says any attack with out united nations permission about syria is illigel and in that case russia will help syria Pinch . now what ? do we are going to challenge russians  Directly ?Wacko

Actually, those 11 countries signed a document that says "an action has to be taken, concerning Syria" but there is no mention of military strikes...
i hop they dont take any military action
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Yomud, I deleted your post.  We don't need political BS here.  If your going to post something like that, be sure it's real. 
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Originally posted by TITAN_

Because Sharia is anachronistic, barbaric, and has no place in a democratic society. Sharia is only good for theocracies, not democracies. Human rights and Sharia are incompatible, period.


I know that you yourself believe in more than 90 percent of the laws of Sharia, it says "don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't rape, ...", is it wrong? Of course there are also some laws in Sharia which really belong to the old times and unfortunately some Muslim bigots still strongly believe in them, the problem is bigotry and reactionary, not Sharia.


No, it is not about what Sharia prohibits, it is about the kinds of punishment it proposes, that I consider barbaric. Moreover, anything regarding non-violent sexuality like adultery or homosexuality, as long as minors are not involved, is condemned by Sharia, not by me.... So, it is not really 90% as you claim. It should be less!
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Well, at last look the crisis seems to have a non violent end.  Kerry suggested the Syrians put their Chems. under international control and the Russians ran with it.  Assad has, publicaly anyway, accepted the proposal.
 
Those of us in the US who watch these things figured something like this was in the works.  If Obama really thought a strike was the only solution, he would have done it, much like Clinton did with his original strike against Bin Laden.  He would have called the strike, and then told Congress after the fact.  He was, in so many words, playing with Assad's head.
 
 
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It was clear that Obama sought a pretext to not attack Syria, first Congress and now this proposal, anyway it seems we have to see much worse things happen in Syria or other countries in the region, I really hope it won't be using nuclear bombs.
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obama is doing the  right thing those wmd will be safe under international control and assad will be punished with sanctions he will FORCED to share the power no more blood shed Thumbs Up
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Yomud, I deleted your post.  We don't need political BS here.  If your going to post something like that, be sure it's real. 
sry this is web which i trust for news www.iranianuk.com and the first time i heard about them ! now i see the have remove the hot page about obama and sry for that i wonn't do it again
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Originally posted by TITAN_


Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri


Originally posted by TITAN_

Iraq is democratic? Yeah sure... Did they abolish Sharia, completely?

Why they should abolish Sharia? Democracy doesn't mean that your laws should be only ruled in other countries.
Because Sharia is anachronistic, barbaric, and has no place in a democratic society. Sharia is only good for theocracies, not democracies. Human rights and Sharia are incompatible, period.



Well spoken. Just because people don't mind to have sharia as their main body of legislation doesn't make it a democracy. How can legislation which expressly puts so many barriers to freedom of expression be compatible with democracy? And how can a people who apply it ever be labelled as ''democratic''?

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