The end of Assad seems to be near!
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Topic: The end of Assad seems to be near!
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: The end of Assad seems to be near!
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 14:21
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After some sad news, some good ones are coming from Syria, we can hope that one of the worst dictators in the world will fall soon, of course it depends on what will happen in the next days.
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 14:58
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I still can't believe how Assad mess up all things. In his period, Syria had become a tourstic country for people in West He had sent positive messages to Isreal for peace Syria had become Turkey's one of the best partner. He was so polite against Lebanon. Other Syrian leaders tried to control Lebanon more. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 15:36
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Not if you understood or were willing to examine his relationship with terrorists and terrorist supporting states.
It was as his father demonstrated a façade..an obfuscation and overt lie..all along. His strength lies in the Iranian wacko fundamentalists; the Russian and PRC blocking and their ongoing support of his repression. It actually was entirely predictable and expected. What happens next in Syria is actually immaterial... even tho gas has been used and innocents die. The real question remains if the West refuses to act.... no matter the ramblings of the Russians etc....what further lesson will be learned by the fundo's in Iran. Answer? Increase production efforts on nuc weapons. As they will remain satisfied that the west remains cowards. And that would include the opposition states in the region.... Islamic or not. Even if strikes occur in Syria they will ntl continue to ramp up....response? Send them an equally strong military response on Ports, oil production sites-refineries, communications, transport networks, disruption of their computer capabilities by virusing their internet usage and defense related infrastructure. The only thing an Arab or A Persian respects and fears is an Alexander. Especially a fundo terrorist. Not some mumbling Chamberlain. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 16:28
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The response from Syria's supporting countries, sounds much like their response when Sadam was taken out. The reason then, is the reason now, money, or oil, same thing. Syria most likely owes Russia billions, don't know about the PRC, but everybody and their monkey owes them, so it's not unlikely the reason is the same. The German gov. is suspiciously silent, it wouldn't surprise if Syria owed them a bunch as well.
It's interesting that these countries show little concern for the human condition.
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 16:48
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''The reason then, is the reason now, money, or oil, same thing....''.
That's the obvious nexus ole son but not the answer in totality. That would also have to include fossil fuels contracts let from and for a decade from now.... by any number of recipients...a disaffected young Islamic fundo response in the democratic west.... especially euros who lie in fear of the still non assimilated Arabs living in France and Deutschland....Islamic nations self interests in the region....Sunni vs Shia theology indifferences to each other....and: The Iranian, terrorist government, aided and abetted by the aforementioned who continue to seek a hegemony within the region and the destruction of the state of Israel. Any Arab or Persian or other national, lib socialist, wannabe utopianist, on this forum, or another; denying that is a dupe and a liar. Period. If we lucky they be the ones hit first...when the bombs and missiles begin. Amen. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 17:34
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One final note: I do not dislike Arabs or Persians or any other nationalist id; or necessarily their homelands. But I do detest with a vehemence that is best left uncharacterized...those from anywhere who either deny religious fanaticism-terrorism existence, of any type, of any ethnicity, or nationality; or those whose silence supports it.
For they remain moral gawdamn cowards in their silence. In their refusal to cherry pick only that which is not offensive to them. Make no mistake this not an apology. But a statement I'll take to the grave giving damn little what others think. Now I'm tired. Don't like me? Too gawdamn bad. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 02:36
Calm Down Cowboy  You didn't use Quote but I think this rock came to me. I said "I can't ",not "I don't". In Turkish they have different meanings. I said "I can't" because everything began good. Assad really changed something in his period. Read some article about him when he became the first time president. He didn't just talk, he did something and let me know something more then you. Syria is our neighbour. He has one big sin for me which is one party system. Even he accepted to organize real election with more party but he contiuning to use his tanks. Both sides have a chance in that time. Everybody had need to be calm down and negotiation had should started radiply. But we missed it
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 03:34
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I went to Syria two time in the last 10 years and visted some different cities such as Damescus, Tartus, Latakia, ... this country really looked like a province of Iran, everywhere Iranians could be found and it was not necessary for us to know Arabic in this country. Syrians, even the police, never dared to disrespect Iranians, ... -------------
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Posted By: Shamshir
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 05:44
Perhaps because they're more civilized than other Arabs such as those of the Persian Gulf who actually hate the guts of any Iranian.
No wonder you got kicked out of Historum.
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 14:19
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Shamshir, Historum has nothing to do with now and here. If you have any grievances, please stick to the point and the present place and time.
Thank you. DQ ------------- |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 09:59
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Yes, please. Besides, around here, we wear getting banned from Historum as a badge of honor. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 14:59
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guys plz don't call me bad guy but im think assad must remain in power but not on this way it don't worth it . the big question is what will happen when assad gone ? who will take the power what will change ? assad has it's own supporters and he is secular so he easily saying im fighting islamic terrorism if u overthrow him later people may our gov was secular and was developing but americans change it and lead us to this islamic mess . if u attack assad will use W.M.Ds it will put turkey and israel to danger israel have nuclear so they don't worry about assa as long as they dont involve them self in syria but turkey is different it will be turk's second sacrefice after cuban missile crisis and also we must worry about North korea they will act im sure about it . imagen we attack syria and they attack allied force by w.m.d we will take syria for what ? to new islamic regime which will make more trobels than assad ? after these islamics took the power they will take revenge on assad's supporters and than on iranian people surly today no iranian can open it's foot in syria ------------- yomud are free people |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 15:11
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Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 15:14
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if u help islamic guys to take the syria they will try to take revenge on iranian i dont wanna die with chemical bomb when im walking in tehran street what will happens to w.m.ds ??
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 15:55
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Yeah this situation is getting so much worse especially with the recent threat issued by Putin. I don't think this time that they are just bluffing. But I think the bigger issue would be Syria falling prey to the terrorists. That would suck big time. I mean if that happens then it's war in the region on a larger scale which we would expect. Russians know that these terrorists are proxies for America/NATO and their Saudi/Qatari vassals... I'm not sure they would take this very well... ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 16:12
Their second biggest city Aleppo is just far from the Turkish border as Ashgabat, Iran border. I mean, it is very close also their oil fields too. In the past bad relation times, there was no direct military contact. Turkey was sending his army to Syrian border and Syrian was giving up I don't think them as a risk
Yes, now there is a danger for Iranians. They can kidnap as Turks in Lebanon. But if the future Syrian goverment is a radical islamist, I think they can rapidly build new relationship with Iran against Israel. However as you know, not all Arabs in Arab Spring was secular democrat guys like not all rebelion in Syria are radical islamist. There are also some radical islamist in Assad side too. |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2013 at 20:50
Alexander = NATO?  ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2013 at 20:55
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The British House of Commons voted against a military strike... Military interventions in the Middle East have failed to reduce religious fanatism. That is a fact. ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 02:52
Religious fanatism? Is it the reason of military invertion? I don't think so Assad can be work with religious fanatics in Lebanon but as he is a secular guy and ruled his country like it also that's why we don't hear something about Syrian Christians, they don't choose any side. Religious fanatics in both side. If the reason is real this, why we are talking to attack just Assad? the problem is that he didn't share the goverment with Kurds and Sunni Arabs(majority in Syria), not his religious fanatic acts. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 03:58
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It is difficult to know some Americans and European, those who wish to kill a cannibal terrorist themselves but rally to urge their government to not punish those who massacre thousands of people, the interesting thing is that they call themselves humanitarians!!
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 04:04
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Anyway it seems countries ignore to attack Syria one by one, Iran and Syria used the chemical weapon to kill their Sunni enemies, it
was a good test to see the reactions, now they can focus again on the
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 06:20
The reason is so important Cyrus. I agree your reason. He needs to be punished but not for something he is not to be. Chemical story is not still clear but just holding all power in own hand is a behaviour which we should up our voice. However, just islamist newpapers and goverment wants to attack in Syria. Not all others parties in parliament. There will be peace protests in next to days. I am thinking that are all of us drunk with power like Assad, if we are in charge?
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 07:01
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The End of Assad is begining of new one as i can see!Do we have new "kid" for it?!? |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 08:11
I couldn't agree more!  ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 08:15
All NATO attacks in muslim countries were in the name of democracy etc. In reality they just wanted a share in the petroleum industry, they don't give a toss about human rights, democracy and civilization. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan etc.  ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 11:18
If it is even proved that all buildings were destroyed and several thousands people were killed by terrorists, the only one who can be blamed is Assad, because the government is responsible for the security of the nation. Anyway I don't see any reason that we want to fool ourselves, as I said I have visited Syria two times and know for sure that most of Syrians hate Assad family, so Assad can do nothing except killing the people for preserving his power. -------------
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 18:20
That's an over-simplification, Cyrus. People are fearful of what may happen if Assad is toppled and experience has taught them that Western interference does not usually bode well for the region. My opinion is that Assad's dictatorship is far better than anything that could ever come from this ''pretend'' revolt. Let's make sure the radicals are out of the picture and then see what can be done about Assad... But of course that's exactly what the US, NATO and their Gulf vassals do not want :) ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 18:23
Dude... Assad is fighting the terrorist insurgency as best as he can and the country is in ruin because of it. Most civilian deaths at the hand of Assad military action is collateral damage which resulted from the terrorists hiding in civilian areas. I think one can't blame him for this event especially given the fact that the country is in shambles and his military is pretty strained with all the fighting. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2013 at 08:26
It is meaningless to say that a savage, brutal dictator continues to massacre the people because some fear that the next government probably won't be what they want, you should understand that we are not animals and we don't live in a jungle, we care others human being, Assad, like Taliban, Saddam and Qaddafi who had killed millions of people, should be toppled. It is one of the best services to the humanity. -------------
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2013 at 13:16
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As we all know three major groups are fighting against each other in Syria: 1. Assad's Army, consists of some Syrian mercenaries, Iranian revolutionary guard troops and militant Lebanese group Hezbollah, who fight for a Alawite minority. 2. Free Syrian Army, consists of the real Syrian soldiers who fight for what the majority want. 3. Islamist Terrorists, consists of non-Syrian extremists from all around the world, who fight for their Islamist ideology. Should we support the second one and fight against other ones or not? -------------
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2013 at 14:04
good work but it is missing Where is the Christian Syrians, they are nearly 10% of Syria, I don't think that they are with Free Syrian Army and What about Kurds? They are resisting themselfes, not none of this three groups
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2013 at 14:36
Well, first of all you have to prove that Assad is ''massacring'' his own people as the media keeps repeating blindly. Secondly, yes Assad is better than an Islamic theocratic state established with the help of the West. It would be IMMORAL at this point to topple Assad simply because no one is stupid and we all know what will come is FAR WORSE. Lol, Gaddafi is gone and Libya is much worse now than before. I wish Gaddafi was back!! ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2013 at 17:40
I agree you about the media. Especially in the USA, media is preparing the society to wars with non-neutral news but there is one reality which is refugees. More then 1 million people left own homes. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2013 at 00:11
I said major groups who are fighting against each other, of course there are some other groups but it doesn't change the fact that we should fight against Assad's army and terrorists. -------------
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2013 at 00:26
You probably think Assad's military aircrafts drop flowers and houses of the people have been destroyed by an earthquake?! Assad's regime is a puppet of the worst slamic theocratic state in the world, namely Iran, no regime can be really worse than it. I think you will enjoy to watch the Iranian media!  -------------
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Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2013 at 06:40
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So, if Assad goes down, what's next? There is no plan to begin with. Is he Shia or Sunni? ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2013 at 08:08
Why blame the refugees on Assad and not the terrorists? ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2013 at 08:16
That is ridiculous Cyrus. I do realise that Assad's military drops bombs on people and this is referred to as ''collateral damage''. The issue is that Assad's military has to fight the terrorists who, unfortunately, hide in civilian areas for express purpose of tarnishing the military's reputation. If they decide not to attack in order to save as many civilians then the terrorists win de facto! Just hide in a building full of people and keep shooting at the military... Funny thing is people never notice that a trained army such as the Syrian army never does such things which are clear violations concerning rules of engagement. Again, I am not defending Assad nor am I saying that he is good for Syria. On the contrary, he must be dealt with. However, to do so now when Syria would undoubtedly fall in the hands of theocratic Islamists (100% sure that would happen, don't act like you're not!) is immoral at best. If the rogue elements are neutralised, then the people can again take to the streets and depose this dictator. But now, we must stick with what is best for the Syrian people, a dictator. Your idealism Cyrus is very unrealistic because we don't live in a perfect world. Any decent person would support the over-throw of a dictator but definitely NOT in vain. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2013 at 08:18
Assad is a Shia, however, he belongs to the Nusayri Alawite branch which is quite different from mainstream Shia doctrine. Exactly TITAN! Assad gets toppled and then what? It's just another Libya or Yemen, don't let people fool you with this idealistic sweet-talk... ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2013 at 04:49
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Baal Melqart, as long as the mad Assad brutally kills the people and destroys the houses, the number of those ones that you call terrorists will be increased progressively, in fact this terrorism is just a natural reaction to the oppression committed by Assad, everyone can be a terrorist, if his/her family is brutally killed by a dictator. Anyway this terrorism looks like a cancer, you can't fight against it but you should find a remedy, one of the main reasons of this disease is a minority rule over a majority. We should wait that Assad kills at least two-third of Syrians to see stability in Syria, of course this thing will never happen but terrorism becomes stronger not only in Syria but in other parts of the world, Syria is already the best place for them to gather for organizing their terrorist attacks, they should thank to Assad who gathered them in his country! Which place can be really better than a country without a stable government for terrorists? Syria needs a stable popular government, or better to say democracy like in Iraq, to solve this problem, the first step is that Assad is driven out, then it will be the turn of the terrorists to be wiped off of the Syria. -------------
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 03-Sep-2013 at 02:37
Are you being sarcastic here or did I miss that?  ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 03-Sep-2013 at 11:26
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Of course Iraq is already a democratic country, the best one in the Middle East after Israel, some months ago I went there, after many years people are living joyfully in this country, in fact Iraq is already the first tourist destination for Iranians.
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2013 at 12:41
Man you gotta stop, you're killing me with laughter! You should do stand-up comedy you know! ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 02:15
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Iraq is democratic? Yeah sure... Did they abolish Sharia, completely? ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 13:41
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Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 13:42
How about Israeli army? ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 13:49
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Iraq is democratic for killing people and being lawless around 3000 people killed since spring i don't know if they living joyfully for these killing or waiting for nuri al maleki to attack iraq's kurdestan baghdad the worst place on earth even afghanistan is more safer than iraq ------------- yomud are free people |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 14:00
turkey have strong army and air force and large number i personally believe turkey is strongest in middle east  ------------- yomud are free people |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 18:46
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It won't make any difference. Both forces are backed by terrorists, making it a lose-lose situatrion.
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2013 at 19:32
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis The only thing an Arab or A Persian respects and fears is an Alexander. What doesn't it mean? -------------------------------- It means they respect and fear those who demonstrate strength of purpose and conviction in commitment; not some mumbo jumbo bullshit. Amen. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 04:02
so you are looking for a slave nations as Russians try to do it on ex-soviet countries |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 07:17
Instead of buffoonery, you could mention your reasons that you think there is no democracy in Iraq, of course Mullahs of Iran prefer this democracy than the westerners and Sunni Arabs, but it doesn't change the fact it is what the majority people of Iraq want. It can be interesting to know that you believe those Sunni terrorists seek democracy in Iraq!!! -------------
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 07:31
Why they should abolish Sharia? Democracy doesn't mean that your laws should be only ruled in other countries. -------------
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 11:20
I never even mentioned any sunni terrorists. and on a more serious note, there is no democracy in Iraq, period. Unless your definition of democracy is different that mine! ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 11:32
What is your definition of democracy? -------------
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 12:51
I'm looking for Turks, Arabs and Persians to get off their ass's and eradicate Islamist terrorism, of all types, amongst themselves....the last giant they feared was Ataturk...may he rest in peace. To bad he has not continued to inspire them toward secularism...modernism and democracy as he once did. Instead.... throughout the region; they have fallen low once again into the barbarianism, which can be Islam when in the hands of fundamentalists. Which has always what has made them weak and indecisive....morally corrupt in their denial of the problem....and ineffective in the solution. “My people are going to learn the principles of democracy the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will, every man can follow his own conscience provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him act against the liberty of his fellow men.” ― Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Amen. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 14:12
When you kick out morons in your country, maybe you can tell us how do you do it.
That's nice gesture. I am using Ataturk words. Thank you That is also from him; "Sovereignty unconditionally belongs to the nation" it means, a nation should "fear"(your word ) just ownself (being manager of own) but not Alexander |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2013 at 16:56
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Agreed my morons are not much better then yours....but their's is the apathy of pacificism and delusion; in regards a utopianist world society....which was bullshit when first promulgated and remains so.
Theirs is a delusion and mental illness regarding the reality of world history. Your moron's ie. Arabic and Persian and Turk.... when they hide.... deny and obsfuscate... the reality of their self interests better opportunities, with a free and democratic association and system of government...and international relationships.... and remain unwilling to promote the great Ataturk's dictums.... ntl merely remain "morally corrupt in their denial of the problem....and ineffective in the solution.'' They suffer no delusion they merely remain content with the status quo. Consequently yours remain worse. Admit your support of Islamist fundamentalist terrorism or reject it publically now....until you do.....yours remains the same position. Because you note: " "Sovereignty unconditionally belongs to the nation" And that is correct. But you fail to recognize that no one in the free democratic west is threatening that..... not even the Israeli's. But Islamic fanatics and the states that support, encourage and promote them do. Such is Syria.... such is Iran. If you do not see that.... then you are delusional indeed. Amen. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 07-Sep-2013 at 05:45
Because Sharia is anachronistic, barbaric, and has no place in a democratic society. Sharia is only good for theocracies, not democracies. Human rights and Sharia are incompatible, period. ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 07-Sep-2013 at 08:35
11 countries accept to attack syria putin says any attack with out united nations permission about syria is illigel and in that case russia will help syria  . now what ? do we are going to challenge russians Directly ? ------------- yomud are free people |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 07-Sep-2013 at 08:39
Actually, those 11 countries signed a document that says "an action has to be taken, concerning Syria" but there is no mention of military strikes... ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2013 at 13:42
I know that you yourself believe in more than 90 percent of the laws of Sharia, it says "don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't rape, ...", is it wrong? Of course there are also some laws in Sharia which really belong to the old times and unfortunately some Muslim bigots still strongly believe in them, the problem is bigotry and reactionary, not Sharia. -------------
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Posted By: Shamshir
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2013 at 14:43
This is common sense. We don't need a "holy" set of laws that teaches us how to be morally perfect. If someone does, then that one needs not Sharia, but professional help.
But isn't Sharia supposed to be a perfect and holy set of laws that stands the test of time? Didn't know that you're an apologetic, Shahmiri.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2013 at 15:25
The problem is not that we need or we don't need, the problem is that this holy set of laws exists and hundreds millions people believe in it, it is somehow impossible that we want to change their belief, we should fight against extremism, a large number of moderate Muslims live all around the world and there is no problem about them. -------------
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Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2013 at 02:54
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2013 at 08:06
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Yomud, I deleted your post. We don't need political BS here. If your going to post something like that, be sure it's real. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2013 at 13:33
No, it is not about what Sharia prohibits, it is about the kinds of punishment it proposes, that I consider barbaric. Moreover, anything regarding non-violent sexuality like adultery or homosexuality, as long as minors are not involved, is condemned by Sharia, not by me.... So, it is not really 90% as you claim. It should be less! ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2013 at 11:18
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Well, at last look the crisis seems to have a non violent end. Kerry suggested the Syrians put their Chems. under international control and the Russians ran with it. Assad has, publicaly anyway, accepted the proposal.
Those of us in the US who watch these things figured something like this was in the works. If Obama really thought a strike was the only solution, he would have done it, much like Clinton did with his original strike against Bin Laden. He would have called the strike, and then told Congress after the fact. He was, in so many words, playing with Assad's head.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2013 at 13:32
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It was clear that Obama sought a pretext to not attack Syria, first Congress and now this proposal, anyway it seems we have to see much worse things happen in Syria or other countries in the region, I really hope it won't be using nuclear bombs.
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Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2013 at 19:45
obama is doing the right thing those wmd will be safe under international control and assad will be punished with sanctions he will FORCED to share the power no more blood shed  ------------- yomud are free people |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2013 at 20:12
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2013 at 12:08
Well spoken. Just because people don't mind to have sharia as their main body of legislation doesn't make it a democracy. How can legislation which expressly puts so many barriers to freedom of expression be compatible with democracy? And how can a people who apply it ever be labelled as ''democratic''? ------------- Timidi mater non flet |