Turkey in Iraq?

Originally posted by DayI Wait a minute here...Wars, conquests, invasions, battles...All was part of this world and every single tribe or whatever has been into the whole thing taking place for thousands of years.   It is really inappropriate and quite deliberate to single out Ottoman Turks here as the evil.

     I don't think its a matter of labeling one side as "evil" or "good", its a simple matter of calling an event what it is, and what the expert consensus is on the subject (which is widely ignored by the Turkish public due to government censorship). Just because many Turks perceive the labeling of the events by scholars and historians as one of "evil", it is not a valid reason to avoid the truth. You might want to ask why the Turkish authorities are so sensitive about intellectual thought in their own country and why they ignore what the world of academia has to say about events of their past. It all goes back to the Armenian question.

     In fact this whole issue of invading Kurdistan was brought up as a diversion from the genocide resolution in the US, which I believe Turkey fears much more than a couple of hundred mountain guerillas who don't even have body armor or modern weapons.

Originally posted by xi_tujue Turkey invading Iraq has 2 main reasons. 1. They didn't attack untill now because Sadam was in power 2. PKK was inactive for some time now(people were kinda getting over it)

     Those are the reasons the state gives. The real reasons are:

     1. Diverting attention from the Armenian question currently raised in the US (and in general).

     2. Crippling the most prosperous and autonomous region of Kurdistan in order to convince their own Kurdish population that independence is not worth it.


     Silencing the truth on the genocide and keeping the Kurds oppressed was in Ankara's agenda as soon as they had independence in 1923, which was over 60 years before PKK was created. PKK is just an excuse to push their own agendas, like Al-Qaida is for Bush.

     Afterall, if Turkey was really serious about crushing PKK, they can start with the thousands of PKK members within their own country which greatly outnumber the PKK guerillas hiding in the mountains in Iraq. It doesn't take a scientist to see that PKK members inside Turkey are a much more immediate threat than cave-dwellers outside their own borders, but somehow Ankara has tricked everyone into focusing on the small number of guerillas which are miles away. But as I said, this whole controversy is one big diversion.

ArmenianSurviaval you obviously have your slant on history and your political deisres. However, just becuase the actions of Turkey may bother you does not make your asumptions reality. I believe that Turkey has a right to defend against political Armenian aspirations and PKK terroristic attacks which are unprovoked attacks of aggression. So dispite your asumption thinking that Turkey is diverting from political issues over a genocide bill, Turkey's policy has been to let the historians deicide the matter. This is not a debate over a bill with faulty wording (1915-1923 -The Ottmans were not in power in 1923 though the bill wants recognition for alleged genocide at that time). One that will not be discussed here no matter how hard you try. It is still blacklisted. Lastly those supposed cave dwellers don't retreat inside of Turkey after a terrorist attack. They hid out in a safe haven called northern Iraq.

Edited by Seko - 07-Nov-2007 at 21:53

The only connection with the bill and the PKK/Nth Iraq issue is how it effects the relations with the Turkey and the USA. The link is diplomatic.

We all know that Turkey hates the fact that KRG exists.

Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival Originally posted by DayI i cant find anywhere that i did write such thing as you quoted, where did you found that?        So sorry, I looked at the wrong user name when I entered the quote.

I dont mind it dude.

Originally posted by Cent We all know that Turkey hates the fact that KRG exists.

happy now?

Originally posted by Antioxos In order to  eliminated the phenomenon of PKK it will be supposed they do not have support from the Kurds of south-eastern Turkey in order to happen  this they have to extinguish all kinds oppression in the residents of this regions .This is ( my opinion ) the unique medicine for the extermination of PKK .If Turkey invade to Iraq , Pkk will become more strong and the danger of separatism will come more close.Violence bring more violence.

Originally posted by Antioxos In order to  eliminated the phenomenon of PKK it will be supposed they do not have support from the Kurds of south-eastern Turkey in order to happen  this they have to extinguish all kinds oppression in the residents of this regions .This is ( my opinion ) the unique medicine for the extermination of PKK .If Turkey invade to Iraq , Pkk will become more strong and the danger of separatism will come more close.Violence bring more violence.