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    Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 09:11

Prior to Mahmud Ghaznavis conquests, Eastern Afghanistan and all of Pakistan was firmly in the culture of the Indian subcontinent.  Hindu rulers ruled from Kabul to Jalalabad, to Ningrahar, to Konar, Peshawar all the way to Kashmir and beyond.

Looks and color of skin having nothing to do with it.


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  Quote AFG-PaShTuN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 11:33
Originally posted by Afghanan

Prior to Mahmud Ghaznavis conquests, Eastern Afghanistan and all of Pakistan was firmly in the culture of the Indian subcontinent.  Hindu rulers ruled from Kabul to Jalalabad, to Ningrahar, to Konar, Peshawar all the way to Kashmir and beyond.

Looks and color of skin having nothing to do with it.


Shocked Hold on, so you are saying that all these named areas were ruled by the "Indian" Hindu rulers? Or are you trying to say that it was under the control of local Hindu rulers, i.e. Afghan Hindus.


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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 14:31

Kabul, Ningrahar, Jalalabad, Peshawar were all ruled by Hindu rulers right before Mahmud Ghaznawi entered the region.  The people they ruled weren't all Hindus.  There were Zoroastrians, Ancestor Worshipping peoples, and I'm not positive on this last one, but probably even Buddhists.  Some of the Hindu rulers married "Afghan" wives and they were always mentioned seperately from Hindus, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, or Muslim.

There were many different tribes back then, and during Ghaznawis time there were even unknown and mysterious tribes that roamed the mountains and came down to the valley for nothing more than plunder.  At around this time, Ghaznawi was also trying to make inroads into Kafiristan and Ghor, both were Pagan.  I'm guessing many of these nomadic and plundering tribes were remnants of the Ephtalites.
 
 


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 16:00

Well what do you mean by "indian", perhaps if you mean Indus Valley and surrounding areas then yes thats true. However I can't agree that say Bengal or the DEccan were in anyways similar to them.

 
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 13:02
Indian subcontinent meaning that cultural spectrum from the Indus Valley to India Proper.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 21:52
Originally posted by mughal

it depends, the muhjirs that are places from like the indian kashmir or even Northern UP, Delhi etc... look much lighter then lets say sindhis or southern punjabis. You can't just say just because their muhajirs they have to be dark.



There is no such thing as a muhajir from Indian kashmir or the Kashmir Valley. Muhajir refers to Urdu speaking people who migrated from India to Pakistan. (I know that a muhajir is one who migrated, but in Pakistan it refers to native urdu speakers of Indian states)

Ethnic Kashmiris do not speak urdu natively, have not migrated to Pakistan in masses like others and do not have any lingusitic/cultural affinity to muhajirs from India or Pakistani people. Actually they dont even have any linguistic or cultural affinity to the so called Kashmiris of Azad Kashmir.

There are an estimated 105,000 kashmiri speakers in Pakistan so I'm guessing there are around 150,000 kashmiris in the whole of Pakistan max.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 22:06
Pakistan is a very diverse country, but as the majority of the country (58%) is Punjabi, and the fact that the Punjabi identity is shared with India, gives Pakistan closer ties with India.

The Pashtuns are the second largest ethnicity of Pakistan and out number the Pashtun population of Afghanistan by three fold, so it also should be considered a Pakistani identity.

Northern Areas of Pakistan are dardic and dont represent Pakistan at all I think. They're different people.

I think that it can be said that the Eastern side of the Indus river in Pakistan is heavily Indian/Punjabi influenced, whereas the areas to the west of the Indus more central asian. (Roughly)
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  Quote pumaaa123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2007 at 00:19

Its not a deal to differentiate or compare these sub-regions. Within pakistan itself the punjab and sind region shares culture/language/people with northern India. In the sameway northern india majorly shares itself with southern-east India. Again srilanka shares itself with southern india.

 

In turn, the pustons/baloch/NW Tribal land of pakistan share with Iran/Afganisthan. To stress the above stmt, you can check and see baloch spread all over from Iran to West pakistan and Pustons concentrated over the region circuiting Western pakistan to Afganistan. But not inside sind/punjab or india.

 

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  Quote Dharmendra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2007 at 13:19
South india was a very seprate land for long time
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jul-2007 at 13:17
Originally posted by mughal

how about looks wise?


LOL! You persian wannabe! You can say anything you want but anybody that is non-brown will see you as an Indian. LOL. Hell even people in America can't tell the difference between an Indian and a Middle Eastern. But hey, you can see your self as Persian if you want if it helps you sleep at night.

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