pakistan, iran, south india?
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Topic: pakistan, iran, south india?
Posted By: mughal
Subject: pakistan, iran, south india?
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2007 at 13:32
| hi i have a question is pakistan more closer to iran and central asia then lets say south india or sri lanka culture wise? |
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2007 at 13:34
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undoubtedly. IMO. ------------- |
Posted By: mughal
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2007 at 14:06
| how about looks wise? |
Posted By: northpakistani
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2007 at 18:00
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Pakistan is considered by the G8 as middle-eastern nation, and on other references it can also be called South Asian.
If you goto Karachi, there is a stronger Indian influence because majority of the muhajirs (migrants from India) settled in Sindh regions. Balochistan is on the West, this province of Pakistan has the highest Persian/Afghan and Hazara tribes. They speak Balochi, and depending on the region it can be pashtun, farsi (Iranian languages) or hazara. They have either mongolian eyes, with caucasian features, ranging from blonde hair/blue eyes to dark hair/dark eyes...women are usually very fair, though traditional, and more in veils then you would see in cities like Karachi.
Pakistan is traditionally influenced by Muslim nations, but at the same time, it inherited alot of Indian culture, from the media. Both are intertwined, but Pakistani people's looks are more slanted towards the Middle-Eastern types on average.
You can go to Pakistan and see for yourself. Each region will show differences. ------------- A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be. -- Albert Einstein |
Posted By: northpakistani
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2007 at 18:04
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No, I don't know of any Pakistanis with Sri Lankan culture ...
What does South Indian culture consist of? ------------- A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be. -- Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2007 at 21:53
Cricket. And for that reason alone we are much closer to the Sri Lankans than the Iranis.  ------------- |
Posted By: northpakistani
Date Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 01:38
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lolz
------------- A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be. -- Albert Einstein |
Posted By: maqsad
Date Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 04:10
60% of Karachi is Shia while the entire country of Pakistan is about 20% Shia. So that would actually make Karachi culturally closer to Iran(an almost entirely shia country) than the rest of Pakistan. I think many of Karachi's Shias are from the Lucknow area in India which has a lot of Shias and Irani immigrants from centuries ago. Khomeini's grandfather was also from Lucknow.
Balochistan is what..3 % of Pakistan? And NWFP is about 15%. Both have separatist movements too btw and regard themselves as being culturally different from East Pakistan.
Where do you get this from? Some people would argue that most Pakistanis resemble south asians. So "on average" the looks would not be slanted towards Middle-Eastern types would they?
Right the western areas will resemble middle easterners and the Eastern areas will have people resembling South Asians I would think for the most part. The vast majority of Pakistanis are located in the Eastern provinces. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 05:36
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Frontier has no seperatist movement.
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 06:10
No way is Karachi 60% shia. Karachi wouldn't even be 60% Muhajjir anymore. The Lucknow area of India may have alot of shia, but I think sunni's are still the majority. ------------- |
Posted By: maqsad
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 11:06
Didn't Waziristan have a lot of Army casualties? I would speculate that a lot of Afghan refugees in fact probably decided to settle in Waziristan in the 80s and 90s to escape from poverty and soviets and post soviet militias. Thats enough to stir up trouble.
Well Karachi does not have to be 60% muhajir shia to be 60% shia. Right off the bat 20% of Karachi would be shia just by being pakistani. Supposedly 1/5 of all Pakistanis are Shia. That leaves 80% and if half of these 80% are muhajirs from UP thats upto 40% shia right there adding up to a 60%. Also, Karachi is the top destination for refugees. There were tons of Afghans who moved to Karachi in the 80s and 90s to escape Afghanistan. We all know how much the Taliban loved Shias so I speculate a lot of Hazaras(all shia) and many other Farsi afghans who also happened to be Shias could have moved to Karachi. Anyway my point was that Karachi, this so called den of Indian influence according to northernpakistani, is paradoxically in many ways the opposite. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 11:10
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Waziristan had lots of Uzbek's living there. They have been chased out now.
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Posted By: mughal
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 17:15
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a lot of pakistanis have iranian genes, thats why some of our girls so hot lol. |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 19:52
Agreed.
Don't agree at all. The majority of muhajirs from UP are sunni. There is a proportionally higher number of shia, but it is nowhere near 100%. My grandmother's family comes from UP even with Irani descent and is sunni.
Thats true, I have no idea what the religious makeup of the Afghans is. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 03:12
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There are an estimated 1 million Afghans in Karachi mostly Pakhtuns.
They are not counted in the official census unlike Pakistani Pakhtuns.
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Posted By: northpakistani
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 13:01
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Where do you get this from? Some people would argue that most Pakistanis resemble south asians. So "on average" the looks would not be slanted towards Middle-Eastern types would they? (Maqsad)
These are typical eastern pakistani people.They are southasian mix. You can tell, but I think they look kinda middle -eastern too? The muhajirs look pure Indian because they are pure Indian.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwoq18poARU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwoq18poARU Check out this Eastern Pakistani dance. ------------- A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be. -- Albert Einstein |
Posted By: mughal
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 17:18
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it depends, the muhjirs that are places from like the indian kashmir or even Northern UP, Delhi etc... look much lighter then lets say sindhis or southern punjabis. You can't just say just because their muhajirs they have to be dark. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 17:45
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I don't see the big deal here, it's like asking do Iranians look more Indian, Middle Eastern, East Asian or European? well the truth is that Iranians can fit all categories and there is no real average look. The only reliable way to identify an Iranian is by expressions and mannerisms - I have never mistaken a non-Iranian for an Iranian because of this.
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Posted By: pathan
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 15:59
| western pakistan is definatly close to central asia. |
Posted By: pathani
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 00:26
| pakistan has nothing to do with south india or sri lanka |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 09:11
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Prior to Mahmud Ghaznavis conquests, Eastern Afghanistan and all of Pakistan was firmly in the culture of the Indian subcontinent. Hindu rulers ruled from Kabul to Jalalabad, to Ningrahar, to Konar, Peshawar all the way to Kashmir and beyond. Looks and color of skin having nothing to do with it. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 11:33
 Hold on, so you are saying that all these named areas were ruled by the "Indian" Hindu rulers? Or are you trying to say that it was under the control of local Hindu rulers, i.e. Afghan Hindus. ------------- 
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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 14:31
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Kabul, Ningrahar, Jalalabad, Peshawar were all ruled by Hindu rulers right before Mahmud Ghaznawi entered the region. The people they ruled weren't all Hindus. There were Zoroastrians, Ancestor Worshipping peoples, and I'm not positive on this last one, but probably even Buddhists. Some of the Hindu rulers married "Afghan" wives and they were always mentioned seperately from Hindus, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, or Muslim. There were many different tribes back then, and during Ghaznawis time there were even unknown and mysterious tribes that roamed the mountains and came down to the valley for nothing more than plunder. At around this time, Ghaznawi was also trying to make inroads into Kafiristan and Ghor, both were Pagan. I'm guessing many of these nomadic and plundering tribes were remnants of the Ephtalites.
------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 16:00
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Well what do you mean by "indian", perhaps if you mean Indus Valley and surrounding areas then yes thats true. However I can't agree that say Bengal or the DEccan were in anyways similar to them. ------------- |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 13:02
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Indian subcontinent meaning that cultural spectrum from the Indus Valley to India Proper. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 21:52
There is no such thing as a muhajir from Indian kashmir or the Kashmir Valley. Muhajir refers to Urdu speaking people who migrated from India to Pakistan. (I know that a muhajir is one who migrated, but in Pakistan it refers to native urdu speakers of Indian states) Ethnic Kashmiris do not speak urdu natively, have not migrated to Pakistan in masses like others and do not have any lingusitic/cultural affinity to muhajirs from India or Pakistani people. Actually they dont even have any linguistic or cultural affinity to the so called Kashmiris of Azad Kashmir. There are an estimated 105,000 kashmiri speakers in Pakistan so I'm guessing there are around 150,000 kashmiris in the whole of Pakistan max. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 22:06
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Pakistan is a very diverse country, but as the majority of the country (58%) is Punjabi, and the fact that the Punjabi identity is shared with India, gives Pakistan closer ties with India. The Pashtuns are the second largest ethnicity of Pakistan and out number the Pashtun population of Afghanistan by three fold, so it also should be considered a Pakistani identity. Northern Areas of Pakistan are dardic and dont represent Pakistan at all I think. They're different people. I think that it can be said that the Eastern side of the Indus river in Pakistan is heavily Indian/Punjabi influenced, whereas the areas to the west of the Indus more central asian. (Roughly) ------------- |
Posted By: pumaaa123
Date Posted: 04-Jul-2007 at 00:19
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Its not a deal to differentiate or compare these sub-regions. Within pakistan itself the punjab and sind region shares culture/language/people with northern India. In the sameway northern india majorly shares itself with southern-east India. Again srilanka shares itself with southern india. In turn, the pustons/baloch/NW Tribal land of pakistan share with Iran/Afganisthan. To stress the above stmt, you can check and see baloch spread all over from Iran to West pakistan and Pustons concentrated over the region circuiting Western pakistan to Afganistan. But not inside sind/punjab or india.
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Posted By: Dharmendra
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2007 at 13:19
| South india was a very seprate land for long time |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2007 at 13:17
LOL! You persian wannabe! You can say anything you want but anybody that is non-brown will see you as an Indian. LOL. Hell even people in America can't tell the difference between an Indian and a Middle Eastern. But hey, you can see your self as Persian if you want if it helps you sleep at night. Anit ------------- |