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Topic: European Press shows solidarity with threatened Danish cartoonist Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 08:40 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Muslims SHOULD accept Europen rules if tehy
are going to live in Europe. Muslims do have the right to protest if
they want, and boycott if they want. That's the difference between The
West and the muslim world. We allow dissenting views and dissenting
actions. You don't. IF you don't like Islam and you live in the Muslim
world, you'd better keep your mouth shut if you don't want to end up
dead or in jail. If you don't like Europe and you live in Europe...then
by all means, feel free to tell us how much you hate Europe. As long as
you aren't violent, you won't end up in jail.
yeah, they wont end up in jail, but they should end up
out side of Europe. They should accept an attack over
them, or they should go out of Europea, this is what you are
saying.
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I don't know who wrote the above, but I'm sure he's thinking in the
kind of Muslims that kill on religious grounds, like the ones that
killed Theo van Gog, bombed the London subway or have threatened Salman
Rushdie or many others.
That's the key thing: we can't accept fanatics.
But let's see: if I go to Saudi Arabia, first of all they will make me
sign papers where I must declare to belong to either Islam,
Christianity ro Judaism, you will force me to abide by your rules: no
rum, a minor staling in the supermarket can cause me to get my hand cut
and if I curse teh prophet, I will surely end beaten and killed.
And I'm lucky of being an European male with some resources, would I be
a poor Filipino female, I would surely end up raped, beaten and
expelled of the country without even being paid my salary.
So first clean up your home and then we will discuss about the
permissivity of the laws in Denmark and the difficulties of Europe to
absorb the want-to-kill bearded men and the repressed masked women of
Quranistan.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 08:41 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Torrid nonsense. Not one person anywhere in the world has suffered even one tiny bit of physical harm as a result of these cartoons.
That's important.
That somehow or other your egos have been pierced is unimportant. Just as unimportant as it would be if mine were.
err in Turkey, If you harm someone emotionaly, you should pay some money for you guilt. dont you have same laws?
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You might get away with it, yes. I'm not lawyer enough to be sure. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. The English proverb that we were taught as children used to be "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
(I believe you would get away with it in the USA.)
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 08:47 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Torrid nonsense. Not one person anywhere in
the world has suffered even one tiny bit of physical harm as a result
of these cartoons.
That's important.
That somehow or other your egos have been pierced is unimportant. Just as unimportant as it would be if mine were.
err in Turkey, If you harm someone emotionaly, you should pay some money for you guilt. dont you have same laws?
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Emotional harm? That's very difficult to bring to court... maybe if
it's assocaited with some other more physical or economic harm...
I think it's very difficult to get paid for emotional harm as such. Forget it.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 09:37 |
Looks like most Muslims are fundamentalists, even some forumers here. They keep talking about the greatness of their religion, of how tolerant it is, but when it came to tolerance their behaviour is all but tolerant. I've seen a lot more cartoons mocking the Christians and though there were protests from the Church there have never been such manifestations of intolerance. Do ask yourselves why the neonazi movement is starting to gain ground. Intolerance leads to intolerance, do you feel like this planet needs a new religious or racial driven conflict?
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 09:56 |
But I don't want neo-nazis to come back. I want people living together
without religion. We don't need neon-nazis, we need an Arab Lenin!
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 10:15 |
But let's see: if I go to Saudi Arabia,
Realy boring muslims are your citizens, I dont know how many time I should repeat this, you cannot harm or treat bad to your citizen, because of Saudi Arabia.
why do I begin to think, you saw muslims second class citizen or noncitizen which you can treat bad?
You might get away with it, yes. I'm not lawyer enough to be sure. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. The English proverb that we were taught as children used to be "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
(I believe you would get away with it in the USA.)
If he swear you?
I've seen a lot more cartoons mocking the Christians
That is another stupid excuse, because you are bashing your own religion, you have no right to bash our.
I hit my father, so I can also hit your father. You dont have to be angry, because I hit my father more than yours. is this sensible thing?
Do whatever with your religion.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 10:39 |
Cartoons mock everything, that's why cartoons exist...
But they could mock Islam or muslims without drawing Muhammed.
I agree there is officially no crime here, but they should apologize and respect people's beliefs and traditions from now on.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 10:46 |
From the same cartoonist of France Soir:
"I did a cartoon about democracy ... but nobody in the world seems to care!"
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:32 |
Originally posted by barish
Cartoons mock everything, that's why cartoons exist...
But they could mock Islam or muslims without drawing Muhammed.
I agree there is officially no crime here, but they should apologize and respect people's beliefs and traditions from now on.
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Why? Drawing Muhammed is maybe forbidden for Muslims, but not for the
rest. We can draw whatever we want: Muhammed, Allah and much worse
things.
You just can't impose on us your short-sighted prejudices! You won't do
that! We can tolerate Islam but only as long as Islam tolerates us.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:52 |
Maju what are you so upset about?? that newspaper published those drawings and many people got offended and they are protesting and telling that magazine and the government of that country that their drawings offeneded them.
the government ignored that and acted in an arrogant way so the people decided to boycott that government.
anything illegal in what the people did??
NO?
then what you guys are angry about?!
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:54 |
Why? Drawing Muhammed is maybe forbidden for Muslims, but not for the rest. We can draw whatever we want: Muhammed, Allah and much worse things.
So we can buy whatever we want?
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:55 |
I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Muslim world was attempting to intimidate and impose its cultural norms on the West, using little Denmark as a target ( http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,398532, 00.html). Yet, this effort has backfired and a reaction from the West of monumental proportions and unknown consequences is unfolding. Everyone is publishing the cartoons and this subject has become in the last few days the major topic of discussion worldwide and in the web (http://www.coxandforkum.com).
The problem is that for the West, freedom of expression is the most sacred thing there is. The most painful memories in the Wests history are religious wars, being the Inquisition the most tenebrous (deservedly or not) and most powerful symbol of that era. That is why speaking what one thinks is so important in the West. However, Muslims, with their recent actions, have brought back the spectre of Inquisition to the West.
Muslims can also be accused of being hypocrite since there are ample examples of cartoons made in moderate Muslim countries (as the politically correct troop of West likes to say in self-delusion) with atrocious attacks to other cultures and religions that make the Danish cartoons look mild by comparison (http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm).
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:58 |
Originally posted by Maju
Why? Drawing Muhammed is maybe forbidden for Muslims, but not for the rest. We can draw whatever we want: Muhammed, Allah and much worse things.
You just can't impose on us your short-sighted prejudices! You won't do that! We can tolerate Islam but only as long as Islam tolerates us.
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You can draw whatever you want? Then I can protest whoever I want and I protest the people who don't respect other people's beliefs.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 13:28 |
I'm so sick and tired of a proportion of Muslims crying out everytime anything remotely negative against their precious God is uttered in a free and democratic society where these views are permitted.
Why don't we just gag the media and people of Europe, perhaps it'd not only be a more familiar sight, but also less *harmful* to quite possibly the most easily offended people on the planet, Muslims.
Some people really must have to much free time on their hands if they really care what some people in Denmark think might of been humorous.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 13:34 |
Originally posted by Heraclius
I'm so sick and tired of a proportion of Muslims crying out everytime anything remotely negative against their precious God is uttered in a free and democratic society where these views are permitted.
Why don't we just gag the media and people of Europe, perhaps it'd not only be a more familiar sight, but also less *harmful* to quite possibly the most easily offended people on the planet, Muslims.
Some people really must have to much free time on their hands if they really care what some people in Denmark think might of been humorous.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:02 |
I say to the European press: Right what you will and what you feel and forget Islamic outcries.
To Islam: Boycott, burn flags, protests, or the like. As long as you dont physically hurt anyone.
Europe: This for you is more of an issue and a more important subject. Dont allow Islamic radicals to silence your tongue. They may have the right to do that in their countries but do you see any sand in Paris?
To Islam: Take up a hobby, go bowling, knit a quilt, do something more productive with your time. You get your panties in a bunch because someone hundreds of miles away said something about your prophet? Funny seeing as how you wouldnt get as upset if a cartoon was set out negatively towards Allah himself? That just proves this isnt about religion, its about ethnicity and culture. Anyway the protests wont do much, free-speech aint going anywhere.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:04 |
Originally posted by Voyager
Muslims
can also be accused of being hypocrite since there are ample examples
of cartoons made in moderate Muslim countries (as the politically
correct troop of West likes to say in self-delusion) with atrocious
attacks to other cultures and religions that make the Danish cartoons
look mild by comparison (http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm). |
Hypocrites
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:10 |
Guys be calm, It is only a peaciful boycot. No need to be angry.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:21 |
Infact yes, I dont know what is problem.
we are free people, and using our freedom.
Long Live free Saudi Arabia citizens.
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