Seems like if they don't like something, kill it. And burn all there flags. Where do they get all these flags, do they have flag burning warehouses? I mean they seem to find 100s of flags everytime someone from a country insults them.

Anyways, I don't get why the other newspapers supported them, are they trying to bring about more riots across Europe?

Originally posted by Maju The coward publishers of France Soir have deposed the editor!  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4672642.stm%C3%83%C2%A7 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4672642.stm Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."

that was a respected move from the owner of that newspaper,

" France Soir owner Raymond Lakah said in a statement to AFP he "decided to remove Jacques Lefranc as managing director of the publication as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

"We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."

it goes for you too, you have no right to tell us to shut up and not to protests for things we feel offended by .

also read the news its not only the Saudis, also the "free" iraqis were protesting too.

Protesters have taken to the streets in many Arab countries to vent their fury at the publication by a Danish newspaper of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Danish embassies have been besieged - as happened here in Kuwait

In the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, Shia clerics burned the Danish flag

These Yemeni women held placards urging a boycott of Danish goods amid a growing backlash against the country

Some Danish companies have been hard-hit by the boycott. Here an Egyptian employee removes Danish products from supermarket shelves

Ministers from 17 Arab countries urged Denmark to punish the newspaper. Arab League head Amr Moussa, who attended the Arab ministers' meeting, criticised the European press

oh maju  they dared as that new paper dared as simple as that.

anyway more updates

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Glad to see the PM starting to understand whats happening.

You said " You are going to tame the Muslims", and now it seems you have been tamed.

screw europe. it is the most uncultured continent on earth.

how about having some cruise missile fired at you people??? ya thats the western way, that means it is the better way. muslims should westernize and follow suit, bomb your enemies with cruise missiles. just like how americans do.

 Thats easily the most sweeping, idiotic statement I have ever seen on this forum which is an achievement in itself.

 Well done.

 Anyway, the images of flag burnings are as predictable as they are tedious, I don't even know why anybody is bothered anymore, it shouldnt even make news, these people demonstrate and moan everytime anything is said against Islam.

 A free press, should be allowed to make cartoons, write articles, report on whatever it wants whenever it wants (thankfully it is except in certain circumstances) whether some Muslims like it or not. I dare say the press has made worse and more offensive reports and stataments in the past.

Sure. I'm taking measures not to buy products of Muslim ownership anymore. I'm not going to be tolerant and integrative anymore. I'm very upset at Islam for this intolerance.

So  you think  you were tolerant?

Errrr let me remember,

We will tame Muslims, muslims should accept your rules or  should left Europea, sorry but this is nazis tolerance.

When will you cut  your  hair?

well Europe and the US are demanding our Education system to be changed because in their eyes its anti-semitic !

not to forget many Europeans always talking about Muslims MUST reform their religion and laws in their countries.

Europeans and later the Americans are the ones who interfered with Middle eastern business First.

Yes and the ironic thing is that most of us wouldnt be in their countries to offend them anyway had they not had their hands in our cookie jars for most of the last two centuries and constantly meddled in our affairs, started wars and invaded this country or that. 

 There is a great deal of difference in a cartoon in a country with free press and some of the less than civilised practises and laws Europeans find to be wrong or unjust in certain Muslim countries.

 The difference is almost immeasurable.

 It doesnt take a genius to work out what is right and wrong, the cartoons may not be something Muslims will be particularly fond of, fine, don't read them and get over it, there are more important issues to demonstrate and whine about.

Muslims SHOULD accept Europen rules if tehy are going to live in Europe. Muslims do have the right to protest if they want, and boycott if they want. That's the difference between The West and the muslim world. We allow dissenting views and dissenting actions. You don't. IF you don't like Islam and you live in the Muslim world, you'd better keep your mouth shut if you don't want to end up dead or in jail. If you don't like Europe and you live in Europe...then by all means, feel free to tell us how much you hate Europe. As long as you aren't violent, you won't end up in jail.

yeah, they wont end  up in jail, but they should end up out  side  of Europe.  They should accept an attack over them, or they should go out of  Europea, this is what you are saying.

See the difference here? You claim that our freedoms should not allow the drawing of these cartoons becuase they are disgusting in your eyes. Your leaders are calling for our laws to be changed. We however aren't telling you that you shouldn't ahve the freedom to hold a "death to America" march. We aren't telling you that you shouldn't have the freedom to boycott.

You dont know  what you are talking, what  is USA doing in  Iraq, Infact USA even open a war, and kill a lot people to export their idea of  freedom.

 The difference is almost immeasurable.

 It doesnt take a genius to work out what is right and wrong, the cartoons may not be something Muslims will be particularly fond of, fine, don't read them and get over it, there are more important issues to demonstrate and whine about.

Do you have  also right  to choose our priorities?

this cartons harm us, Infact  one if  it show, islam itself is  a terrorist organization.

what type of freedom is this? We decide  what is our priorities,  not you.

You're failing to see my point. Any muslim who gets too violent or radical, should leave.

I don't approve of Bush's war, but that is really beside the point. I think that many many laws in teh Middle East should be changed. ANd it should be done peacefully, not through war. These cartoons are critical of your laws, but they are a form of peaceful protest. That, in my opinion, is how we should be expressing our views.

You tell the Danes that they shouldn't have the right to publish these cartoons becuase they're offensive, but it's okay for you to have the right to march and chant for nations to be destroyed. It's hypocritical.

 This is the kind of overly defensive attitude that I have a problem with, if Allah is so greatly offended by these cartoons then i'm sure he'll smite the editors or something high and mighty.

 Light-heartedness there, might aswell not bother trying to explain what that means.

 Our freedoms permit this sort of thing, yours may not, I don't know nor care to be perfectly honest, the state of the press in some random Muslim country is of no interest to me whatsoever. Nor are a million other issues, I try and keep some perspective, I think though if in certain countries women persist on being made second-class citizens then I am justified to find that abhorrent and uncivilised. The relegation in class of a person based on gender is ridiculous, I believe I have every justification in thinking that.

 However if some Muslim guy graffitied a wall with something highly original like "Death to Americans" or "Democracy bites"  then bloody hell what do i care what that guys thinks? is America supposed to march on Washington DC and demand revenge for this outrage? no and why? because not everybody cares what some crackpot thinks of them from the other side of the globe. There are more important things going on on this rock than some damn cartoons, which are tame by modern standards, I promise you'll find more offensive material in the Simpsons or Family guy than you will in these cartoons.

If a cartoonist drew an offensive picture of a Jew, doing stereotypical things negatively associated with Jews, you would all say long live freedom of speach? Somehow I don't think so... so why is it different for muslims?

I might not be a Muslim, but I know that anti-Islamic propaganda doesn't harm the extremists who call themselves muslim (it only infact plays very well into their hands) - it hurts anyone that could be of middle eastern appearance.  I don't like being stigmatised.

You're failing to see my point. Any muslim who gets too violent or radical, should leave.

You dont see my point, they are not our citizen, they are your citizen, you should punish them acording to your laws. Exiling them is complately double standart, or saying they should leave.

do you think If a german or brit get violent they should also leave?

by the way, leave where?

I'm not going to be a hypocrite and tell Muslims tehy can't boycott and protest against Europe's freedoms while they are living in Europe. If that is their stance, then they should feel free to express it peacefully. Though, they should expect a fair bit of criticizm.

Leave here is not a bit criticizm.

I don't approve of Bush's war, but that is really beside the point. I think that many many laws in teh Middle East should be changed. ANd it should be done peacefully, not through war. These cartoons are critical of your laws, but they are a form of peaceful protest. That, in my opinion, is how we should be expressing our views.

So, now some muslims want to change a law that they think harmful to muslims, and they try to do is peacifully, unlike bush war.

This cartoons are not peaciful, specialy one which show a bomb over Prophet.

You tell the Danes that they shouldn't have the right to publish these cartoons becuase they're offensive, but it's okay for you to have the right to march and chant for nations to be destroyed. It's hypocritical.

Boycott them, as I said  before I dont like flag burning  or death marchs.

You're basically saying that freedom is okay as long as it isn't offensive to Islam.If that is your stance then you may as well be living in the Middle Ages. Freedom should be universal. As long as a person is peaceful about it, then they should be allowed to criticize whomever they like for whatever reason.

criticize is not these pictures doing. Aim of these pictures are provoke(do you hear anyone refuse this). So they reached their aim.

This is the kind of overly defensive attitude that I have a problem with, if Allah is so greatly offended by these cartoons then i'm sure he'll smite the editors or something high and mighty.

It is not Allah offended, It is us.

If a cartoonist drew an offensive picture of a Jew, doing stereotypical things negatively associated with Jews, you would all say long live freedom of speach? Somehow I don't think so... so why is it different for muslims?

well look how much, they cared for Ahmedinaj speach of freedom.

 I didnt even know these cartoons existed under people got so overwhelmingly offended by them, well done you've made them about a million times more famous than they would of been otherwise.

Originally posted by Maju Muhammad cartoon row intensifies Some of the cartoons depict the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist Newspapers across Europe have reprinted caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad to show support for a Danish paper whose cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage. Seven publications in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Spain all carried some of the drawings. Their publication in Denmark led Arab nations to protest. Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet. The owner of one of the papers to reprint - France Soir - has now sacked its managing editor over the matter. The cartoons have sparked diplomatic sanctions and death threats in some Arab nations, while media watchdogs have defended publication of the images in the name of press freedom. Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy." 'Spiting Muslims' France Soir and Germany's Die Welt were among the leading papers to reprint the cartoons, which first appeared in Denmark last September. The caricatures include drawings of Muhammad wearing a headdress shaped like a bomb, while another shows him saying that paradise was running short of virgins for suicide bombers. France Soir originally said it had published the images in full to show "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society. CARTOON ROW 30 Sept: Danish paper Jyllands-Posten publishes cartoons 20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors in Denmark complain to Danish PM 10 Jan: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons 26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador 30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office 31 Jan: Danish paper apologises 1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons In pictures: Cartoon outrage Outrage bemuses Denmark But late on Wednesday its owner, Raymond Lakah, said he had removed managing editor Jacques Lefranc "as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual". Mr Lakah said: "We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication." The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, had described France Soir's publication as an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France". Other papers stood by their publication. In Berlin, Die Welt argued there was a right to blaspheme in the West, and asked whether Islam was capable of coping with satire. "The protests from Muslims would be taken more seriously if they were less hypocritical," it wrote in an editorial. La Stampa in Italy, El Periodico in Spain and Dutch paper Volkskrant also carried some of the drawings. European Muslims spoke out against the pictures. In Germany, the vice-chairman of the central council of Muslims said Muslims would be deeply offended. "It was done not to defend freedom of the press, but to spite the Muslims," Mohammad Aman Hobohm said. Sanctions Correspondents say the European papers' actions have widened a dispute which has grown very serious for Denmark. ART AND BLASPHEMY CHARGES 1989: Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Khomeini calls on Muslims to kill British author Salman Rushdie for alleged blasphemy in his book The Satanic Verses 2002: Nigerian journalist Isioma Daniel's article about Prophet and Miss World contestants sparks deadly riots 2004: Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh killed after release of his documentary about violence against Muslim women 2005: London's Tate Britain museum cancels plans to display sculpture by John Latham for fear of offending Muslims after July bombings The publication last September in Jyllands-Posten has provoked diplomatic sanctions and threats from Islamic militants across the Muslim world. Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller has postponed a trip to Africa because of the dispute. Thousands of Palestinians protested against Denmark this week, and Arab ministers called on it to punish Jyllands-Posten. Syria and Saudi Arabia have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark, while Libya said it was closing its embassy in Copenhagen and Iraq summoned the Danish envoy to condemn the cartoons. The Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says its sales in the Middle East have plummeted to zero as a result of the row, which sparked a boycott of Danish products across the region. The offices of Jyllands-Posten had to be evacuated on Tuesday because of a bomb threat. The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print them. Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but defended the freedom of the press. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm Yes, we have the right to caricature God, says France Soir, while a cartoon Jesus tells a grim Muhammed: "Don't get upset, Muhammed, we all have been caricatured here". The question is that Muhammed and Allah, along with other religious figures have always been caricaturized in our culture: A classical comic version of the Bible, where you see God dictating the 10 commandments to a frantic Moses on top of mount Sinai. God in the beach, controlling the Sun at will. And there's a lot harder stuff. Get used.

Long live press and speech freedom, i feel very good if i see europeans people defence their beliefs in democracy and freedom against intolerance 

It amazes me that the people in those photographs apparently don't realise how idiotic and childish their actions make them look.

Yes people have a right to boycott whatever they want and protest about whatever they want, just like children can stamp their feet and scream and throw things whenever their parents won't let them do something.

This kind of exaggerated sense of 'honour' and need for 'respect' is typical of some other cultures - it is for instance the hallmark of the streetgang cultures of some US and other inner cities. Do these people really want to line themselves up with the Crips?

Torrid nonsense. Not one person anywhere in the world has suffered even one tiny bit of physical harm as a result of these cartoons.

That's important.

That somehow or other your egos have been pierced is unimportant. Just as unimportant as it would be if mine were.

Azimuth i think too and i am not europian or american, there are too many middle eastern scholars and non scholars think like that. Although i think islam isn't reformable, but you should divide it from gov. and politics to be secular. The very most thing muslims badly need is tolerance. So try to be more tolerated rather than  to blame european for their press and speech freedom.

gcle-

 Thats pretty much the impression I got of them also, it seems they are incapable of a calm and rational protest, if it doesnt imvolve burning something or hating yet another western country then its obviously not worth complaining about.

Torrid nonsense. Not one person anywhere in the world has suffered even one tiny bit of physical harm as a result of these cartoons.

That's important.

That somehow or other your egos have been pierced is unimportant. Just as unimportant as it would be if mine were.

err in  Turkey, If you harm someone emotionaly, you should pay some money for you guilt. dont you  have same laws?

Of course I would. And, in fact, Jews themselves are in general notorious for their ability and willingness to make jokes about their religion.

One of the West's most famous plays contains an anti-Semitic caricature. But no-one is going to ban Shakespeare's 'Merchant of Venice' just because of that.

(Well, there may be one or two zealots who might protest, but no-one would pay any attention to them.)

You know, every single Muslim country has committed itself to a treaty guaranteeing that

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty."

Saudi Arabia, to keep the record straight, abstained when that motion was adopted by the UN in 1948. It didn't vote against. It didn't leave. By remaining in the UN, it has made that promise. So has Iran and every other Muslim state member of the UN. They have promised that there will be no distinction made between individuals on the basis of their sex.

I don't see much sign of their keeping their promises. So much for 'honour' and 'respect'.

You might get away with it, yes. I'm not lawyer enough to be sure. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. The English proverb that we were taught as children used to be "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

(I believe you would get away with it in the USA.)

Emotional harm? That's very difficult to bring to court... maybe if it's assocaited with some other more physical or economic harm...

I think it's very difficult to get paid for emotional harm as such. Forget it.

Looks like most Muslims are fundamentalists, even some forumers here. They keep talking about the greatness of their religion, of how tolerant it is, but when it came to tolerance their behaviour is all but tolerant. I've seen a lot more cartoons mocking the Christians and though there were protests from the Church there have never been such manifestations of intolerance. Do ask yourselves why the neonazi movement is starting to gain ground. Intolerance leads to intolerance, do you feel like this planet needs a new religious or racial driven conflict?

But let's see: if I go to Saudi Arabia,

Realy boring muslims are your citizens, I dont  know how many time I should repeat this,  you cannot  harm or treat bad to your citizen, because  of Saudi Arabia.

why do I begin to think, you saw muslims second class citizen or noncitizen  which you can treat bad?

You might get away with it, yes. I'm not lawyer enough to be sure. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. The English proverb that we were taught as children used to be "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

(I believe you would get away with it in the USA.)

If he swear you?

I've seen a lot more cartoons mocking the Christians

That is  another  stupid excuse, because you are bashing  your own religion, you have no  right  to bash our.

I hit my  father, so I can also  hit your father. You dont have to be  angry, because I hit my father  more than yours. is this sensible thing?

Do whatever with your religion.

From the same cartoonist of France Soir:

"I did a cartoon about democracy ... but nobody in the world seems to care!"

Maju what are you so upset about?? that newspaper published those drawings and many people got offended and they are protesting and telling that magazine and the government of that country that their drawings offeneded them.

the government ignored that and acted in an arrogant way so the people decided to boycott that government.

anything illegal in what the people did??

NO?

then what you guys are angry about?!

Why? Drawing Muhammed is maybe forbidden for Muslims, but not for the rest. We can draw whatever we want: Muhammed, Allah and much worse things.

So we can   buy whatever we want?

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Muslim world was attempting to intimidate and impose its cultural norms on the West, using little Denmark as a target ( http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,398532,00.html - http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,398532, 00.html ). Yet, this effort has backfired and a reaction from the West of monumental proportions and unknown consequences is unfolding. Everyone is publishing the cartoons and this subject has become in the last few days the major topic of discussion worldwide and in the web ( http://www.coxandforkum.com/ - http://www.coxandforkum.com ).

The problem is that for the West, freedom of expression is the most “sacred” thing there is. The most painful memories in the West’s history are religious wars, being the Inquisition the most tenebrous (deservedly or not) and most powerful symbol of that era. That is why speaking what one thinks is so important in the West. However, Muslims, with their recent actions, have brought back the spectre of Inquisition to the West.

Muslims can also be accused of being hypocrite since there are ample examples of cartoons made in “moderate” Muslim countries (as the politically correct troop of West likes to say in self-delusion) with atrocious attacks to other cultures and religions that make the Danish cartoons look mild by comparison ( http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm - http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm ).

 I'm so sick and tired of a proportion of Muslims crying out everytime anything remotely negative against their precious God is uttered in a free and democratic society where these views are permitted.

 Why don't we just gag the media and people of Europe, perhaps it'd not only be a more familiar sight, but also less *harmful* to quite possibly the most easily offended people on the planet, Muslims.

 Some people really must have to much free time on their hands if they really care what some people in Denmark think might of been humorous.

Be patient! They will, the very hour history offers them the occasion; they ravaged with banckrupt superstition their land, and now, they want to wreak havoc to ours too.

I say to the European press: Right what you will and what you feel and forget Islamic outcries.

To Islam: Boycott, burn flags, protests, or the like. As long as you dont physically hurt anyone.

Europe: This for you is more of an issue and a more important subject. Dont allow Islamic radicals to silence your tongue. They may have the right to do that in their countries but do you see any sand in Paris?

To Islam: Take up a hobby, go bowling, knit a quilt, do something more productive with your time. You get your panties in a bunch because someone hundreds of miles away said something about your prophet? Funny seeing as how you wouldnt get as upset if a cartoon was set out negatively towards Allah himself? That just proves this isnt about religion, its about ethnicity and culture. Anyway the protests wont do much, free-speech aint going anywhere.

Did my post sound angry?

Infact yes, I dont know what is problem.

we are free people, and using our freedom.

Long Live free Saudi Arabia citizens.

Originally posted by Ikki Originally posted by Voyager Muslims can also be accused of being hypocrite since there are ample examples of cartoons made in “moderate” Muslim countries (as the politically correct troop of West likes to say in self-delusion) with atrocious attacks to other cultures and religions that make the Danish cartoons look mild by comparison ( http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm - http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm ). Hypocrites

thats not true,

Europeans and westerns were always making cartoons about muslims and Arabs and there wernt a problem.

in this case it was just because of drawing the prophet like a terrorest.

its just that point which obviously provoked all muslms and the west mostly still supprised and asking "whats the problem".

making insuling/humiliating pictures of the prophet is provoking to muslims in a very very large level, you cant understand why? you dont need to just know that its a very sensitive issue.

other than that you guys are doing all the drawings you liked and nothing similar to this happened.

the Danish Newspaper was correct by saying its  a challenge.

They knew what they are doing very well.

Infact what I dont understand is that, our friends support this absurd cartons, because they support freedom of speach.(Even we dont like it)

But they dont support absurd muslims boycot, Infact they should also support freedom of choice.

It is against every type of democracy to force people for something. They choose boycot, so we should support their freedecision.(Even We dont like it)

Support freedom of choose.

I admit that is offensive. But is not illegal. I wish that no one suffered in all that problem and that muslim don't feel sad or angry. But historically, Mohamed, was a violent, aggresive, cunning, and cruel man. He attacked the caravans of his own tribe fellows, killed his relatives (that's a tribe), and killed many unguilty people. Not very far from the terrorist concept . . .

I support with all my al heart the arab expression of freedom (in arab, freedom mean anything you think or do, and is not contrary the interest of the dictatorship or absolute monorach ) in the form of boycott.  Boycott brothers, that's exactly what we need in this world, in order to make a sh*t of it!

Well I know this boycot thing is boring, but so also pictures.

But both of them is not against law. Support our boycot Boztorgay, for freedom. Dont buy danish product.

Protect our freedom, so when times come, we can protect your freedom.

boycott is childish, also that disrespecting of otherones religion is childish and unacceptable and not excusing of that accusion is also childish.

Its get worser and worser for both sides, people need to talk.

no he wasn't and i advice you making a new topic about this with supported facts instead of this provoktive post.

considre this your first unofficial warning.

 To busy drawing crude Danish flags and then burning them im afraid whilst Europe collectively rolls its eyes and says "Wow I didnt see that coming".

I respect your freedom, but I have no reason to support your expression; it's enough to admitt it.  

If the pictures of the prophet so offend muslims, then why are not the many pictures of Allah(God) himself createing such an uproar within Islam? Is Muhammed greater than Allah in Islam?

I respect your freedom, but I have no reason to support your expression; it's enough to admitt it.  

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Infact It is good time to sell Arabian countries some good.

To busy drawing crude Danish flags and then burning them im afraid whilst Europe collectively rolls its eyes and says "Wow I didnt see that coming".

Loosing 11.000 job for some stupid pictures is also funny.

  wow that Saudi sense of humour slays me.

If the pictures of the prophet so offend muslims, then why are not the many pictures of Allah(God) himself createing such an uproar within Islam? Is Muhammed greater than Allah in Islam?

Err, interesting question, I think we dont take this God pictures, as our Allah.

 wow that Saudi sense of humour slays me.

Excatly what we think about Danish humour.,

I know this is a lil ff topic but thats interesting cause I always thought that Allah and the Christian God and the Jewish God were all the same, is this not true?

And what misterious wonder is doing possible that you take the person in the danish cartoon as Mohamed?

true but in Islam  God isnt like Humans and he doesnt look like humans.

muslims belvie that God isn't like anything we could imagen.

in another word " nothing looks like him" so no picture will potray God as muslim belive.

I guess one could ligitimately argue that issue, that is if the cartoon doesnt say Muhammed.

And what misterious wonder is doing possible that you take the person in the danish cartoon as Mohamed?

Er, they didnt hide it much.

I know this is a lil ff topic but thats interesting cause I always thought that Allah and the Christian God and the Jewish God were all the same, is this not true?

It is, but we just dont cared. After all Jesus also one of biggest prophet of Islam, but we didnt boycot for him too.

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Christians also believe the Lord can never be viewed but it does say that he created us in his image. Ok, so how do you know that the pictures making fun of Muhammed looked like him? see what Im getting at, its not what he looked like its what the message is getting across.

If your above post is how you feel, than why get all upset about the Muhammed pics, how do you know thats what Muhammed looked like?

Again I ask you, why?

Err, let me think, It is not easy, because It is your God and Your prophet. I know this is literaly not true, but in reality true.

If you attack Isa(jesus) in Turkey, most probably you will not get a fine answer, because this time we will think He is our prophet.

A little complicated, isnt it?

Here is a quote from a dear friend who said (well, almost said) (I substituted 'political leaders' with 'religious leaders')

"[Religious leaders] are no more worthy of respect than anyone else. Probably less. If you aren't going to ridicule, criticise and satirise [religious leaders], especially powerful ones, who are you going to ridicule, criticise and satirise?"

If you are so secure and confident that your religion is the one and only, then why should you feel offended when others make fun or light of it?

If you say a girl that your face is like my ass, most probably she will offended. This does not mean that She dont believe she is beatiful.

Sorry a little rude, but just couldnt find better example.

well mohammed is human. so we know he looked like humans. and how he exactly looked  like is not known by anyboy, there  are books describing his looks but still. describtions arent good enough to picture him.

about the drawing the magazine made it clear that those cartoons were of mohammed.

and off course that doesn't mean that the prophet looked exactly like that. its just how the artist imagened it  and its mostly western steryo typing of Muslims.

First, a lot of fellows here are getting the wrong message. Many people attempted to draw the prophet even by Muslims (check the Safavid drawings for instance of the prophet's battle), but it is not the fact that he has been drawn that upset any Muslim. Neither any criticizing article would get Muslims angry (and there are millions of them worldwide, just google). It is rather the fact that the drawing is an insulting drawing. When the prophet has a turbant that is all bombs and explosive devices, i dont' see where is it that they tried to match reality? or an innocent representation of him?

I just read an interview by BBC (the Arabic service) with the cheif editor of the Danish newspaper and he admitted his knowledge of the prophet is limited and I know he is the founder of the Islamic faith. They right away directed the question: how do you allow such an insulting caricature to be published about the someone who have no knoweldge about?

I also don't see why is it offending to boycott Danish products. No public voices in Saudi Arabia were risen to bomb the newspaper, or to kill the Danish foriegn workers. All what they called for is a simple message.

 If their laws there allows for insulting my prophet by the name of freedom of expression, then my freedom allows me to boycott your product here and it is the right of every consumer.

Im sure the local companies like Al Marai are so happy with the boycott

Buy Marai  , anyhow it is cheaper too

By the way, the boycott in the Gulf region is so severe that you cannot find anymore any Danish food products on the shelves. I find it funny too that Newspaper are filled with advertisement of Danish companies that are hit hard by the boycott, an attempt to break down the boycott, and on the opposite side of the page, an advertisement of a supermarket that it's cleared out of any Danish products, come shop please here 

Youve just said what i have said in the previos post "It is the message being sent". And I truthfully dont agree with the message being sent either but the fact still remains that when Allah(God) himself is depicted in such a heinous way then no big deal but when Muhammed is...........

Originally posted by DayI I will miss Lego I remember my youth with Lego, a very good toy to play with

 till now, you was still playing with usually?

This sort of argument is intelectually dishonest. The only admissable boycott would be against the journals that print the cartoons. Instead, Muslims are boycotting an entire nation attempting to force it in submission.

This sort of argument is intelectually dishonest. The only admissable boycott would be against the journals that print the cartoons. Instead, Muslims are boycotting an entire nation attempting to force it in submission.

Well you are talking like , muslims didnt try other things too. Infact Boycot began after all way tried.

Tried what? That a nation apologised!?

Actually, let me suggest another boycott for Muslims to do: how about Palestinians boycotting Western and Danish monetary contributions to their budget? What a great idea, don't you think so? Mohamad doesn't deserve less than that.

Tried what? That a nation apologised!?

Infact Their first aim was to punish newspaper, but danish priminester said, we have freedom of speach so you should accustomed this.

Infact you can easily see, that bomber cartoon is anti-islam.

So now Muslims are using their freedom of choose, they should accustomed this. PM of danish should handle situation better.

Actually, let me suggest another boycott for Muslims to do: how about Palestinians boycotting Western and Danish monetary contributions to their budget?

This wont happen, why should do? It wont benefit this, I dont think any danish will be sorry for this.

Allah for us is God. So it is your God as it is my God. When you insult your God, why shall I boycott you for that?

By the way, that Danish cheif editor claims that they have drawn other religious figures too (he still escapes the fact that it is not that the Prophet Muhammed was drawn, rather than he was mocked and stereotyped) but still in the middle of the interview, he identifies himself as a Christian. So Muslims here view it as an outsider attack.

Think about it this way, if Muslim Egyption insulted the prophet by an insulting caricature. Would we get angry as we did now? Not really. Psycologically it is viewed less severe than an outsider attack.

The Norwegian embassies and consulates have apologized for the caricature. You won't find such caricature of stereotyping in an American magazine and protected by the government from lawsuit of "defemation". So Danish case is not the issue of a newspaper, it is the issue of a persistant government that allows for stereotyping a prophet, a religious figure to 1.3 billion, and not the Jewish Holocaust ,which is a pure historical incident.

As I said, I disagree that my government calls for the boycott (and they did not) but Im boycotting them and all my fellows here. If they don't like it, tough luck, they can search other markets. Afterall, we don't have a lobby there to demand an apology. The boycott resulted in an apology by the newspaper and Danish Prime Minister has called for a meeting to all embassadors of Islamic countries tomorrow after he refused even meeting them earlier.

You have no reason to punish no one.

So what? Islam is a religion, a set of ideas and beliefs, that cand freely by analysed and taken with humor.

Ya? How? Acting like a saudi king or muburak?

They should be sorry for paying terror from israelian hearts! Lately, it seems having some remorces . . .

Am  speaking with walls or what? I already said that a nation can not apologise for the actions of a newspaper. There is freedom of press in the West and interference of a government is not acceptable. You're probably thinking about Saudi Arabia...

You hypocrite. If you want to boycott Danmark, boycott everything, not just cheese.

You have no reason to punish no one.

No but they have no reason to attack my prophet too. We are even.

So what? Islam is a religion, a set of ideas and beliefs, that cand freely by analysed and taken with humor.

you call this bomb carton analyses or humor? err, look it again.

Ya? How? Acting like a saudi king or muburak?

Well not this way

I just want to know,what Arabs would do if they were being by the rest of the world attacked like Hellas before the Olympics! 

Not likely, trust brits, russia and china.

Am  speaking with walls or what? I already said that a nation can not apologise for the actions of a newspaper. There is freedom of press in the West and interference of a government is not acceptable.

my friend, do you realy believe this?

You hypocrite. If you want to boycott Danmark, boycott everything, not just cheese.

Infact my country still dont boycott(Turkey) anything, but I dont understand why should they boycott benefits?