Serbia’s Hungarian minority growing more frustrated

 You know what Mila, u forgot to write how many Serbo-Hungarian marriages there are in Vojvodina...in some towns it goes as high as every third one is a mixed marriage.Says a lot, doesn't it?Yes, there were some incidents...One of them being when a (bosnian) Serbian driver ordered some Hungarian kids to speak Serbian...but the man was a refugee-he should be understood-he went through  hell, had to leave his home and live where he never intended to...It's no justification, just clearing out some things.Anyway, many Hungarians r students in Belgrade...I didn't notice any problems whatsoever...Some gangster shootouts r also interpreted as 'ethnic related incidents'

 Btw, Serbian fascists are not alone -there's a Hungarian organization-64 Zhupanije(translation?)-they r propagating some pretty radical stuff...

 

Originally posted by cg rommel I just hope they leave us, and the Montenegrins that live in Vojvodina out of this....

I'm not sure I understand this.i know u're just a kid, but this is not a very nice thing to say-u're separating Serbs and Montenegrins although they're the same people...what does the good man from your avatar says about himself and his origin?He says loud and clear that he is Serbian.Btw-he's the greatest Montenegrin tht ever lived-every Montenegrin knows at least some of his verses by heart...The only problem about Serbia/Montenegro r the goverments-in serbia you have ultra-nationalist pathetics combined with leftovers of Milosevic's clique, and in Montenegro a bunch of mobsters propagating indepedence  for their own causes-teir pm is wanted by the Italian police).

Btw-I'm very fond of Montenegrins-they make  great friends...Montenegrin jokes r the best...

We both know he means Serbian not Orthodox-he mentions Serbian dynasties and history as his own.

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if i understood 5% of your post, kill me

cg - Just joking about Kotromanic, but shhh... we
finally have someone from the Hungarian side!

Gerik - Do you have any statistics, from the
Hungarian point of view, about incidents in
Vojvodina? Murders, rapes, beatings, etc - beyond
the average intimidation.

I've seen statistics from the Serbian side and they're
really not that alarming given the population of
Vojvodina, but they are alarming in that a people who
make up less than 25% of the population make up
more than (I think) 40% of the murder victims.

It's really hard to find any information about this
because Croatian and Bosnian media will not touch
it. Because Serbs are constantly making claims to
our territory, we're very careful not to equalize the
status of independent republics, like Croatia and
Bosnia and Herzegovina, with Serbian provinces,
like Vojvodina and Kosovo.

If Vojvodina and Kosovo become independent, even
to a lesser extent Montenegro, a lot of ignorent
people around the world will think their legal status
prior to independence was identical to that of Croatia
and Bosnia and Herzegovina, when in fact we
entered Yugoslavia as separate republics and came
out as the same republics.

Even with Kosovo, which of course concerns Bosnia
and Herzegovina more than Vojvodina, you'll find
more stories on CNN than on all the papers in
Bosnia combined.

Vojvodina is even more distant. It seems a story has
to make the international press before it even gets a
brief at the back of Croatian and Bosnian papers.

So yeah, if you're able to find any information - it
doesn't matter how biased the source is as long as
you tell us where its coming from, people can sort
those things out for themselves - but just to have any
statistics at all would be nice.

HUNGARY BEFORE THE GERMAN OCCUPATION

Hungary had been on the losing side of World War I. After the announcement of punitive peace terms to be imposed on Hungary (which included the loss of 66 percent of Hungary's prewar territory) were announced in 1919, the postwar coalition government resigned. The reins of power fell to a Socialist-Communist coalition under Communist leader Bela Kun. Kun proceeded to establish a short-lived "Soviet Republic." When the Kun regime collapsed following a Romanian invasion in June 1919, Admiral Miklos Horthy, who had been an officer in the Austro-Hungarian navy, came to power at the head of a conservative-nationalist coalition. This coalition undid most of the democratic reforms promulgated in Hungary immediately after World War I. Assuming the position of regent for the Habsburg king who would never return to Hungary, Horthy presided for the next 24 years over an authoritarian, almost feudal system of aristocratic rule, which nevertheless had a functioning parliament and permitted political opposition. Among those who opposed the conservative-aristocratic oligarchy were radical nationalists and fascists of middle-class and working-class origin. Many of these politicians called for more radical steps to be taken in "solving the Jewish Question."

Europe 1933, Hungary indicated See maps Pressured by domestic radical nationalists and fascists, Hungary fell increasingly under the influence of Germany as the Nazi regime consolidated itself in the 1930s. When Germany began to redraw national boundaries in Europe, Hungary was able to regain territory (with German and Italian help). This territory included southern Slovakia from Czechoslovakia (1938), Subcarpathian Rus from dismembered Czechoslovakia (1939), northern Transylvania from Romania (1940), and the Backa region from dismembered Yugoslavia (1941). In November 1940, Hungary joined the Axis alliance. Hungarian troops participated alongside German troops in the invasion of Yugoslavia (April 1941) and the Soviet Union (June 1941). According to a 1941 census, Hungary, including the recently annexed territories, had a Jewish population of 825,000, less than 6 percent of the total population. This figure included 100,000 converts to Christianity who, under Hungarian race laws passed between 1938 and 1941, were classified as Jews. The Hungarian racial laws were modeled on Germany's Nuremberg Laws. They reversed the equal citizenship status granted to Jews in Hungary in 1867. Among other provisions, the laws defined "Jews" in so-called racial terms, forbade intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews, and excluded Jews from full participation in various professions. The laws also barred employment of Jews in the civil service and restricted their opportunities in economic life.

In 1939, the Hungarian government, having forbidden Jews to serve in the armed forces, established a forced-labor service for young men of arms-bearing age. By 1940, the obligation to perform forced labor was extended to all able-bodied male Jews. After Hungary entered the war, the forced laborers, organized in labor battalions under the command of Hungarian military officers, were deployed on war-related construction work, often under brutal conditions. Subjected to extreme cold, without adequate shelter, food, or medical care, at least 27,000 Hungarian Jewish forced laborers died before the German occupation of Hungary in March 1944.

In the summer of 1941, Hungarian authorities deported some 20,000 Jews, most of whom resided in Subcarpathian Rus and none of whom had been able to obtain Hungarian citizenship. These Jews were deported to Kamenets-Podolski in the German-occupied Ukraine, where they were shot by Nazi Einsatzgruppe (mobile killing unit) detachments. In January 1942, Hungarian military units murdered 3,000 Jews and Serbs in Novi Sad, the major city in Hungarian-annexed Yugoslavia. When the German government began to pressure the Hungarians in 1942 to deliver Jews who were Hungarian citizens into German custody, however, Horthy's prime minister, Miklos Kallay, refused to deport the Hungarian Jews, despite significant pressure from the domestic radical right. Ironically, most Hungarian Jews were thus spared deportation prior to the German occupation in 1944, as the Nazis did not directly control the internal activities of their allies. http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=1 0005457

As someone said, we'll have to live our history all over again, unless we learn it. The recent cases of inter-ethnic ruffle in Vojvodina, Serbia's northern province, proved that point in a strangely precise way. U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos, obviously encouraged by the "excellent outcome" of Kosovo-Metohija agony where he, as some of his colleagues among US officials, even high-ranking ones (remember Albright and Holbrooke), was advocating the Serb-free, Albanianized "Kosova," took the next step in his pretty little nation-building tour in Europe's forgotten corner. In his letter to Serbia's Prime Minister Kostunica, written in an-offer-you-couldn't-refuse-style, Lantos begins:

"I am deeply troubled by the alarming escalation of anti-Hungarian, anti-Semitic and anti-Roma violence that has taken place in Vojvodina recently. The enclosed chronology details incidents of harassment and physical violence against non-Serbs, threats against ethnic Hungarian and pro-autonomy advocates, desecration of cemeteries, and vandalism of historic symbols." ...

Last spring (early June, if memory serves me right), in Novi Sad, Vojvodina's biggest town, the province's political and administrative center, an extremely unusual party took place. A group of Honved (Hungarian army during Horty's fascist regime in Hungary) veterans held a "memorial assembly." Bizarre as it was, their meeting was held inside the offices of a Magyar Szo, a state-funded daily newspaper in the Hungarian language. Therefore, the Nazi veterans had their fun at the expense of the taxpayers, mostly Serbs, the vast majority of Vojvodina.

...[A]fter the Nazi invasion in April 1941, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was occupied either by German Nazis, or their puppet-states (Croatian Ustashes, Hungary, Mussolini's Italy, Bulgaria and "Greater Albania"). A great part of Vojvodina was invaded by fascist Hungary. Its army, the notorious Honveds, killed thousands of Serbs, Jews and Roma. Novi Sad was a stage of an outrageous massacre; in late January, 1942.. About 1400 people (more than 800 Jews, more than 500 Serbs, a smaller number of Roma, and even some antifascist Hungarians and Germans) were killed. Their bodies were thrown into the Danube River, by breaking its icy surface. Total numbers of killed in Novi Sad and it's wider area estimates to the number of four thousand people. The policy of "the Final Solution" for "inferior" Serbs, Jews and Roma was the common goal for all Nazi-installed regimes in Balkans. It took more than a million lives in Ustashes' "Independent State of Croatia," but Horty's fascists also did "their share." It should be remembered � but a merry gathering of a "nostalgic octogenarian," as some Hungarian politicians and intellectuals in Vojvodina advocated the Honveds' reunion at the crime scene, can hardly be considered as a best way to remember.

Yes, it caused a great disturbance among Serbs in Vojvodina. Can anyone even imagine such a thing happening in, let's say, France? Norway? New Zealand? No way. ...

The authorities (neither Serbia's nor Serbia-Montenegro's) did not show any sign of disapproval. Not to mention their duty to properly react to ANY provocation that can cause inter-ethnic turmoil. Of course, it takes a responsible, decision-making and patriotic government. Not an Empire's toy. Anyway, the fact that Serbia remained THE ONLY "multicultural" piece of ethnically-divided former Yugoslavia, with one-third of non-Serbian population, doesn't seem to mean a thing. Furthermore, no matter how eager, "cooperative" and infinitely compliant the local "government" is (even to members of Empire's Congress!?), the everlasting pariah-status is the best they get.

As Mr. Malic well pointed: "After all, why would one be courteous to slaves, especially those who serve eagerly?"

~ B. Kozich, Serbia-Montenegro

http://www.antiwar.com/letters/?articleid=3062

hahaha propaganda again

Dont forget Genocide for Hungarians in Vojvodina

You do know when the lord will come to Earth to judge us,don't you?Well,when the Balkans find peace......

forget ww2 Nazis, Hungary has one of the most prolific neo nazi movements in europe.