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Hakkhan, Nihal Atsiz have nothing to become a national hero. His ideas were racist, seperatist and full of hatred against other nations. I cant understand how some people can still support them.

Phallanxi noone in Turkey considers him as a hero, his ideas are made fun of and his racist attitude is no more popular than stormfront's popularity in Greek society. No offense, such people and ideas exist as blind points within every nation, but they arent popular or appreciated as we know.

Of course racism and extreme nationalism (ethnic and blind patriotism also) arent virtues that can deem a person worthy of the title hero.

BTW, Enver Pasha isnt a national hero also. He caused Ottoman Empire to get into WWI with Germany, who had imperial purposes on Ottoman lands, and which caused an empire of 615 years to dissappear. He also caused 90.000 Turkish soldiers to die in Sarikamish by freezing, he died with Uzbeks when fighting against Russians, and when Anatolia was being invaded.

About Abdullah �atl�, do you consider him as a hero?

But about Karamanoglu Mehmet Bey, he is also my hero...

Well. What can I do? I am a Turkmen, and an Alevi. In Turkey, Alevis are generally anti-Ottomanists (because Ottoman Empire was a Sunnite, heavy religious and anti-Alevi one), they are generally anti heavy religious teachings, closer to sufis (like me), and they are generally closer to socialist world view. But I am not. Because I am aware of some facts and I try to look from the Ottoman point of view instead of an egoist one.

What do you mean by strong Ottoman supporter? You got that idea from my ideas about Ottoman Empire being the ancestor of modern Turkey, or being a great empire? I like Ottoman Empire, because I know they were a great one in the beginning. My family suffered from Ottoman policies as much as other Turkmens did, but I still love the Ottoman dream. Because you should be objective when judging universal empires and their actions, instead of being always against them by a blind point of view.

Ottoman Empire was a great one for sure, and in the beginning period until the age of Sultan Selim Khan who turned the empire into a totally Sunnite one, Bektashis, Turkmens were very respected and valuable society of the empire. Ottoman Empire was a "Turkic" one before him. And it had no difference from the Beghlik of Karamanoglu or other Turkmens. But later, mostly after Suleyman, it began collapsing. and became an anti-Turkmen one. They were fighting for Kizil Elma until the beginning of collapsing period.

To me, an Armenian or a Rum should also look from my point of view, instead of always blaming such a great and tolerant empire just with egoist and one sided points of views. The late periods of Ottoman Empire were a total chaos and hell for us, and all Anatolians. I simply hate some of the late Ottoman policies and actions. But this cant make me an anti Ottoman. I am still sory for such a great empire being divided such tragedically and being blamed with totally one sided accusions (just like the Armenian issue). Ottoman Empire was really ignoring Anatolia and its people in the collapsing period. Kemalists in Turkey are mostly anti Ottomanist too. But I still respect the values of the empire and its multi ethnical structure. To me, it was a unique one which deserves to be respected by all.

But anyway, I'd prefer the Karamanoglus to gain power and rise instead of the Osmanlis. It would be totally better for us in every term for sure.