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Topic: Post pictures of Turkic Hero’s
Posted By: Kenaney
Subject: Post pictures of Turkic Hero’s
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 14:58
Post pictures and describe who he whas and where he lived (what time, what he did et etc)

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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 06:02

The following is about the Turkish Cypriot hero;

Rauf Raif Denktaº

Born in January 27, 1924 in Baf (Paphos), Currently in South Cyprus. First TRNC president and has served five terms (untill 2005).

In 1948 he served as a member of the Consultative Assembly in search of self-government for Cyprus and became a member of the Turkish Affairs Committee.  In 1949 he started working as a crown prosecutor which continued until 1958. In that capacity, he prosecuted some EOKA members who were found guilty and were executed by hanging, or imprisoned.

In 1958, he attended the U.N Genral Assembly on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, and in December of that year he advised the Turkish Government on the rights of Turkish Cypriot people during the preparation of the Zürich Agreement (signed February 19 1959). In 1960, Cyprus gained independence from Britain, thus the Republic of Cyprus was established. Denktaº was elected as the President of the Turkish Communal Chamber.

In November 1963, President Makarios advanced a series of constitutional amendments designed to eliminate the provisions for the protection of the Turkish Cypriot community. This led to intercommunal fighting in December 1963, after which Turkish Cypriot participation in the central government ceased, and the partnership state collapsed. Upon these events, Denktaº went to Ankara for consultation with Turkish government. His entry to the island was prohibited by the Greek Cypriot leadership in years 1964-1968. Upon his return in 1968 he took up duties as the vice President of the Republic of Cyprus and President of the Turkish Cypriot Administration. This administration was formed after another outbreak of intercommunal violence in 1967-1968.

After the failed attempt of unification of Greek Cypriots with Greece in July 15 1974, Turkey negotiated a joint military operation with the UK to intervene. Failing this, Turkey exercised her right under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee and landed 40 000 troops on the north coast of Cyprus. Eventually these troops controlled 37% of the island and a de facto Turkish state was born. Denktaº formed the National Unity Party, and in the following year and in 1976 he was elected President of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus as the island was split into two sections.

He played a key role in the 1983 proclamation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) which is internationally recognized only by Turkey. He was elected as the President of TRNC in 1985, 1990, 1995 and 2000.

Denktaº has been the chief negotiator in the United Nations sponsored peace talks since 1968.

In February 2004 Denktaº embarked on a new round of UN sponsored talks with the Greek Cypriots, aimed at re-uniting Cyprus. However, he has opposed the settlement proposal (the "Annan Plan"), which was voted on by the two Cypriot communities in a reunification referendum on April 24, 2004. The plan was accepted by 65% of the Turkish community, but was rejected by the Greeks.

On May 14 2004, Denktaº announced he would not be standing for a fifth term as President of the TRNC. His tenure as President came to an end following the April 17, 2005 election of Mehmet Ali Talat, who formally assumed office on April 25.

 



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Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 13:14

THanks OSMANLI for youre post.

 



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Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:28

ŞanlıUrfa (Couldnt find old pictures)

Gaziantep

KahramanMaraş

We should never forget these heroes.

 



Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:44
Originally posted by OSMANLI

The following is about the Turkish Cypriot hero;

Rauf Raif Denkta?

Born in January 27, 1924 in Baf (Paphos), Currently in South Cyprus. First TRNC president and has served five terms (untill 2005).

In 1948 he served as a member of the Consultative Assembly in search of self-government for Cyprus and became a member of the Turkish Affairs Committee.  In 1949 he started working as a crown prosecutor which continued until 1958. In that capacity, he prosecuted some EOKA members who were found guilty and were executed by hanging, or imprisoned.

In 1958, he attended the U.N Genral Assembly on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, and in December of that year he advised the Turkish Government on the rights of Turkish Cypriot people during the preparation of the Z?Agreement (signed February 19 1959). In 1960, Cyprus gained independence from Britain, thus the Republic of Cyprus was established. Denkta? was elected as the President of the Turkish Communal Chamber.

In November 1963, President Makarios advanced a series of constitutional amendments designed to eliminate the provisions for the protection of the Turkish Cypriot community. This led to intercommunal fighting in December 1963, after which Turkish Cypriot participation in the central government ceased, and the partnership state collapsed. Upon these events, Denkta? went to Ankara for consultation with Turkish government. His entry to the island was prohibited by the Greek Cypriot leadership in years 1964-1968. Upon his return in 1968 he took up duties as the vice President of the Republic of Cyprus and President of the Turkish Cypriot Administration. This administration was formed after another outbreak of intercommunal violence in 1967-1968.

After the failed attempt of unification of Greek Cypriots with Greece in July 15 1974, Turkey negotiated a joint military operation with the UK to intervene. Failing this, Turkey exercised her right under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee and landed 40 000 troops on the north coast of Cyprus. Eventually these troops controlled 37% of the island and a de facto Turkish state was born. Denkta? formed the National Unity Party, and in the following year and in 1976 he was elected President of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus as the island was split into two sections.

He played a key role in the 1983 proclamation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) which is internationally recognized only by Turkey. He was elected as the President of TRNC in 1985, 1990, 1995 and 2000.

Denkta? has been the chief negotiator in the United Nations sponsored peace talks since 1968.

In February 2004 Denkta? embarked on a new round of UN sponsored talks with the Greek Cypriots, aimed at re-uniting Cyprus. However, he has opposed the settlement proposal (the "Annan Plan"), which was voted on by the two Cypriot communities in a reunification referendum on April 24, 2004. The plan was accepted by 65% of the Turkish community, but was rejected by the Greeks.

On May 14 2004, Denkta? announced he would not be standing for a fifth term as President of the TRNC. His tenure as President came to an end following the April 17, 2005 election of Mehmet Ali Talat, who formally assumed office on April 25.

 

What country was he president for ?



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Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:47

strategos welcome. You can post a Turkish Hero picture too. You know here is for Turkish heroes.

Pls dont create tension here.

 

 



Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 22:51
Originally posted by strategos

Originally posted by OSMANLI

The following is about the Turkish Cypriot hero;

Rauf Raif Denkta?

Born in January 27, 1924 in Baf (Paphos), Currently in South Cyprus. First TRNC president and has served five terms (untill 2005).

In 1948 he served as a member of the Consultative Assembly in search of self-government for Cyprus and became a member of the Turkish Affairs Committee.  In 1949 he started working as a crown prosecutor which continued until 1958. In that capacity, he prosecuted some EOKA members who were found guilty and were executed by hanging, or imprisoned.

In 1958, he attended the U.N Genral Assembly on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, and in December of that year he advised the Turkish Government on the rights of Turkish Cypriot people during the preparation of the Z?Agreement (signed February 19 1959). In 1960, Cyprus gained independence from Britain, thus the Republic of Cyprus was established. Denkta? was elected as the President of the Turkish Communal Chamber.

In November 1963, President Makarios advanced a series of constitutional amendments designed to eliminate the provisions for the protection of the Turkish Cypriot community. This led to intercommunal fighting in December 1963, after which Turkish Cypriot participation in the central government ceased, and the partnership state collapsed. Upon these events, Denkta? went to Ankara for consultation with Turkish government. His entry to the island was prohibited by the Greek Cypriot leadership in years 1964-1968. Upon his return in 1968 he took up duties as the vice President of the Republic of Cyprus and President of the Turkish Cypriot Administration. This administration was formed after another outbreak of intercommunal violence in 1967-1968.

After the failed attempt of unification of Greek Cypriots with Greece in July 15 1974, Turkey negotiated a joint military operation with the UK to intervene. Failing this, Turkey exercised her right under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee and landed 40 000 troops on the north coast of Cyprus. Eventually these troops controlled 37% of the island and a de facto Turkish state was born. Denkta? formed the National Unity Party, and in the following year and in 1976 he was elected President of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus as the island was split into two sections.

He played a key role in the 1983 proclamation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) which is internationally recognized only by Turkey. He was elected as the President of TRNC in 1985, 1990, 1995 and 2000.

Denkta? has been the chief negotiator in the United Nations sponsored peace talks since 1968.

In February 2004 Denkta? embarked on a new round of UN sponsored talks with the Greek Cypriots, aimed at re-uniting Cyprus. However, he has opposed the settlement proposal (the "Annan Plan"), which was voted on by the two Cypriot communities in a reunification referendum on April 24, 2004. The plan was accepted by 65% of the Turkish community, but was rejected by the Greeks.

On May 14 2004, Denkta? announced he would not be standing for a fifth term as President of the TRNC. His tenure as President came to an end following the April 17, 2005 election of Mehmet Ali Talat, who formally assumed office on April 25.

 

What country was he president for ?

TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted By: Sultan
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2005 at 15:41

 

Attila

 

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Turkistan is a door to two worlds,
Turkistan is a cradle of the Turks,
Living in beautiful Turkistan
Is Tengri's blessing to the Turks.

FREEDOM FOR EASTERN TURKISTAN


Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2005 at 12:04
Ehm... "Denktas" a hero? thats funny.. I thought he was a nice old guy with a camera..


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2005 at 12:26

The Khorasan holy man (Horasan Ereni), Haci Bektash Veli...

    

 



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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 05:58

Baracuda, what exactly does a person have to do to be considered to be a hero. Not all hereos have to physiclly fight their enemies.

Anywho, i hope you will actually read my thread, thus you will realise the Denktas's lifetime contribution to a Turkish country and people



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Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:49
Im against politicians to be called hero's thats it, I've met Mr.Denktas, he walks all over the place in N.Cyprus with his camera nice person..have pictures, but I dont know about to call him a hero or not.. maybe..


Posted By: perdon
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2005 at 00:21



Posted By: perdon
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2005 at 00:22
OOOps ,Buyuk Amir temur!!!


Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2005 at 11:11

Qiziq qardashim

   Sagh bol messaging uchin. They were really nice. Take good care and just take it easy.

 

Kind regards,

Iltirish



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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.


Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 09:39


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Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 09:48
"Jagatai Khan" is it real or photoshop?


Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 10:48
Baracuda, this is off subject but I just noticed your Avatar.  May you give me the link for that picture?


Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 22-Jun-2005 at 03:35
Originally posted by baracuda

"Jagatai Khan" is it real or photoshop?


it is real.it was taken in 1914 in Sofia.he was the Military Attache in sofia at the time.he wore the costume at a ball.


Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 22-Jun-2005 at 11:50

Yes,he is in jannissary costume in that ball



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Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 22-Jun-2005 at 12:15
Need a better moustache


Posted By: minchickie
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 01:14

Attila the Hun is also a big figure to Hungary and Hungarians as well as Turks! Many Hungariand today continue to name their sons Attila. I have a few in my family with the name.

FLAG OF ATTILA



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Posted By: Moustafa Pasha
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 10:02

Moustafa Kemal ATATURK

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/tsa/ata/portre.gif - http://www.columbia.edu/cu/tsa/ata/portre.gif

 



Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 12:55
wait for my pics, you all will be shocked!!

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Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 21:58
ok, we'll be waiting 


Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 06:59

a Turkish soldier carrying a heavy bomb during WWI, but i forgot his name damn damn damn!!



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Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 07:01

a brave Turkic soldier who saves an wounded Anzac soldier, during WWI



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Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 07:15

ATATÜRK



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Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 08:30

a Turkish soldier carrying a heavy bomb during WWI, but i forgot his name damn damn damn!!

This man is our "Koca Seyid"(The Great Said).The bomb he is lifting is 280 kg.He attended the battles in Gallipoli with corporal rank.

In the Great allied bombardment in Gallipoli at the day 18 March of 1915,he fell and fainted.When he woke up;he realied that he had 3 missiles to fire.He fired the first.It missed.He fired the second.It missed too.He took the third cannon and said "Bismillahirrahmanirrahim"(In the name of protector and donator Allah).

The third missile exploded on the one of the most armored and strongest English ships "The Ocean".The ship so damaged that it began sinking and almost all the soldiers in it died.

Seyit Onbaşı,Nur İçinde Yat....



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Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 08:39
Ow thanks Jagatai Khan

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 13:22
And after the war, he was awarded with honor madallion in a ceromony. People wanted him to show how he climbed those stairs with that weight, he tried to do it again, but he couldnt even lift the weight...

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Posted By: Quetzalcoatl
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 21:48

 

You mean villains. All your heroes are considered as villains in the west. LOL



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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 01:19

that bomb cant be 280 KG, maybe pounds

 



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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2005 at 19:00
Originally posted by azimuth

that bomb cant be 280 KG, maybe pounds

 



that war(Gallipoli) was about the future of Turks

and yes, it was 280 kg

i know its hard to understand my friend


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 16:46

Turkish Pyramids İn China

(it is name is White  Pyramids ıf u want to search)



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 16:49
Originally posted by azimuth

that bomb cant be 280 KG, maybe pounds

 

Hey if u believe God all thinks could be happen it was really 280 kg and germans notes that

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Posted By: AydoluAtsiz
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 22:44
turkish pyramids? just to clear things up. Tengrikut i am not saying that what you say is wrong in any way. i did a search on it but i didnt find anythting about them that said they were turkish. i do find it extremely interesting though. could you please post some of your sources that say they are turkish so that i may have a look at them? thanks

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Türk duygusu her Türkçüye en tatlı kımızdır;
Türk ülküsü candan da aziz bayrağımızdır...
Darbeyle gönüllerde yatan ülkü silinmez!
Atsız yere düşmekle bu bayrak yere inmez!...


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2005 at 06:37

Originally posted by AydoluAtsiz

 could you please post some of your sources that say they are turkish so that i may have a look at them?

No, he can't, simply because there aren't any. (plus this post is in the wrong thread...)



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Posted By: AydoluAtsiz
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2005 at 11:52
thought so, i just wanted to clear things up without offending anyone.

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Türk duygusu her Türkçüye en tatlı kımızdır;
Türk ülküsü candan da aziz bayrağımızdır...
Darbeyle gönüllerde yatan ülkü silinmez!
Atsız yere düşmekle bu bayrak yere inmez!...


Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2005 at 13:39
Originally posted by Yiannis

Originally posted by AydoluAtsiz

 could you please post some of your sources that say they are turkish so that i may have a look at them?

plus this post is in the wrong thread...)

yep agree, Tengrikut post Turkic Hero's not any buildings that where (maybe) build by Turks in the past.



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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:36
Alp Arslan Khan


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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:40
Osman Gazi Han

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:42
Mustafa Kemal

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:44
Turgut Reis

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:46
Barbaros Hayreddin

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:51
Nihal Atsız ve talebesi Türkeş

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 17:57
Nihal Atsız and his Gök-Turk  wishes

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:08
Tarkan Han

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:11
Oğuz Han

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:12
Bilge Kağan

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:15
Çağrı Bey



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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:16
Selçuk Bey

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:18
Abdullah Çatlı

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:21
Dede Korkut



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Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:24
Originally posted by Hak-Khan

Nihal Atsız and his Gök-Turk  wishes


I might be wrong but in my book a hero is anyone that performs noble actions for his country.
That is quite different if not the exact opposite of a nationalist and a racsist.

Wasn't it Atsiz that promoted pan-Turkism and defined the supporters as:

"A Turk who believes in the superiority of Turk race, respecting its
national past and ready to sacrifice himself for the ideals of Turkdom,
especially in the fight against Moscow, the implacable enemy."

Wasn't it Atsiz that left in his written will the following statement towards his son?:

"The Jews, … the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the Greeks
are our historical enemies; the Bulgarians, the Germans, the Italians,
the English, the French, … the Arabs, the Romanians are our new
enemies; the Japanese, the Afghans, and the Americans are our future
enemies; the Armenians, the Kurdish, the Circassians … are our
internal enemies (Güvenç, 1993: 363)."

Which means literally half the world..

Sorry to disagree with you,  but nationalism and racsism aren't the 'virtues' that deem you worthy of the title hero, well at least not in my book they aren't..
It would be similar to me naming the dictator Papadopoulos a hero


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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:25
Enver Pasha

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:28
Gazneli Mahmut

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:30
Nene Hatun

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:33
Karamanoğlu Mehmet Bey

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:36
Kaşgarlı Mahmut

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:37
Namık Kemal

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:38
Ali Kuşçu

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:43
Uluğ Bey

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:46
Farabi

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:51
Evliya Çelebi



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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:52
Köprülü Mehmet Paşa

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:53
Köprülü Fazıl Ahmet Paşa

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:54
Melikşah

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:55
Mete Han

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:57
Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 18:58
i know many more that i forget

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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 19:01
Originally posted by Phallanx


I might be wrong


youre right


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 05:00

I might be wrong but in my book a hero is anyone that performs noble actions for his country.
That is quite different if not the exact opposite of a nationalist and a racsist.

Wasn't it Atsiz that promoted pan-Turkism and defined the supporters as:

"A Turk who believes in the superiority of Turk race, respecting its
national past and ready to sacrifice himself for the ideals of Turkdom,
especially in the fight against Moscow, the implacable enemy."

Sorry to disagree with you,  but nationalism and racsism aren't the 'virtues' that deem you worthy of the title hero, well at least not in my book they aren't..

Hakkhan, Nihal Atsiz have nothing to become a national hero. His ideas were racist, seperatist and full of hatred against other nations. I cant understand how some people can still support them.

Phallanxi noone in Turkey considers him as a hero, his ideas are made fun of and his racist attitude is no more popular than stormfront's popularity in Greek society. No offense, such people and ideas exist as blind points within every nation, but they arent popular or appreciated as we know.

Of course racism and extreme nationalism (ethnic and blind patriotism also) arent virtues that can deem a person worthy of the title hero.

BTW, Enver Pasha isnt a national hero also. He caused Ottoman Empire to get into WWI with Germany, who had imperial purposes on Ottoman lands, and which caused an empire of 615 years to dissappear. He also caused 90.000 Turkish soldiers to die in Sarikamish by freezing, he died with Uzbeks when fighting against Russians, and when Anatolia was being invaded.

About Abdullah Çatlı, do you consider him as a hero?

But about Karamanoglu Mehmet Bey, he is also my hero...


 



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Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 05:29
Just found it interesting to see his face posted in a topic about Turkish heroes, when he represents exactly the opposite.

I always thought you were a strong supporter of the Ottoman empire, if so, why would you consider Karamanoglu a hero?
Wasn't he the leader of the Karamans or is this some other guy with a similar name?

As for Abdullah Çatlı, I've mentioned him a couple of times in past discussions. I'd think he's more of a martyr of your goverments policy in Cyprus.. Unless you'll deny the well established fact that he was against TMT which is what got him killed?


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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 05:32
Originally posted by Oguzoglu


Hakkhan, Nihal Atsiz have nothing to become a national hero. His ideas were racist, seperatist and full of hatred against other nations. I cant understand how some people can still support them.

Phallanxi noone in Turkey considers him as a hero, his ideas are made fun of and his racist attitude is no more popular than stormfront's popularity in Greek society. No offense, such people and ideas exist as blind points within every nation, but they arent popular or appreciated as we know.

Of course racism and extreme nationalism (ethnic and blind patriotism also) arent virtues that can deem a person worthy of the title hero.

BTW, Enver Pasha isnt a national hero also. He caused Ottoman Empire to get into WWI with Germany, who had imperial purposes on Ottoman lands, and which caused an empire of 615 years to dissappear. He also caused 90.000 Turkish soldiers to die in Sarikamish by freezing, he died with Uzbeks when fighting against Russians, and when Anatolia was being invaded.

About Abdullah Çatlı, do you consider him as a hero?

But about Karamanoglu Mehmet Bey, he is also my hero...


 



youre wrong about Çatlı,Atsiz and Enver Paşa

they may be wrong in some ways nut not full of them

look;
Enver Paşa; Great Türkistan idea
Çatlı; Destroying all kinds of "modern europian guerillas"
Atsız; Thoughts about Gok-Turk language, Turan and Turkic history





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Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 05:41
Originally posted by Phallanx



I always thought you were a strong supporter of the Ottoman empire, if so, why would you consider Karamanoglu a hero?
Wasn't he the leader of the Karamans or is this some other guy with a similar name?

As for Abdullah Çatlı, I've mentioned him a couple of times in past discussions. I'd think he's more of a martyr of your goverments policy in Cyprus.. Unless you'll deny the well established fact that he was against TMT which is what got him killed?


no, im not a supporter of ottoman Empire
Ottomans were Islamic Empire, not Turkish Empire, they are not full of Turks
Karamanoğlu was a hero, becouse he was the leader of second powerfull klan in Anatolian terrorories(Seljuks) after Ottomans.

Çatlı was not only  in Cypruss case, he was everwhere


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 05:54

I always thought you were a strong supporter of the Ottoman empire, if so, why would you consider Karamanoglu a hero?
Wasn't he the leader of the Karamans or is this some other guy with a similar name?

Well. What can I do? I am a Turkmen, and an Alevi. In Turkey, Alevis are generally anti-Ottomanists (because Ottoman Empire was a Sunnite, heavy religious and anti-Alevi one), they are generally anti heavy religious teachings, closer to sufis (like me), and they are generally closer to socialist world view. But I am not. Because I am aware of some facts and I try to look from the Ottoman point of view instead of an egoist one.

What do you mean by strong Ottoman supporter? You got that idea from my ideas about Ottoman Empire being the ancestor of modern Turkey, or being a great empire? I like Ottoman Empire, because I know they were a great one in the beginning. My family suffered from Ottoman policies as much as other Turkmens did, but I still love the Ottoman dream. Because you should be objective when judging universal empires and their actions, instead of being always against them by a blind point of view.

Ottoman Empire was a great one for sure, and in the beginning period until the age of Sultan Selim Khan who turned the empire into a totally Sunnite one, Bektashis, Turkmens were very respected and valuable society of the empire. Ottoman Empire was a "Turkic" one before him. And it had no difference from the Beghlik of Karamanoglu or other Turkmens. But later, mostly after Suleyman, it began collapsing. and became an anti-Turkmen one. They were fighting for Kizil Elma until the beginning of collapsing period.

To me, an Armenian or a Rum should also look from my point of view, instead of always blaming such a great and tolerant empire just with egoist and one sided points of views. The late periods of Ottoman Empire were a total chaos and hell for us, and all Anatolians. I simply hate some of the late Ottoman policies and actions. But this cant make me an anti Ottoman. I am still sory for such a great empire being divided such tragedically and being blamed with totally one sided accusions (just like the Armenian issue). Ottoman Empire was really ignoring Anatolia and its people in the collapsing period. Kemalists in Turkey are mostly anti Ottomanist too. But I still respect the values of the empire and its multi ethnical structure. To me, it was a unique one which deserves to be respected by all.

But anyway, I'd prefer the Karamanoglus to gain power and rise instead of the Osmanlis. It would be totally better for us in every term for sure.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 06:06
To me, also Baba Ishak and other Turkmen erens who were totally against the authority and considered as rebellers were heros. But that doesnt prevent me from respecting the Seljuk Empire, its civilization and the Seljuk khan, Giyaseddin Keyhusrev. You see? My brother have a couple of Armenian friends in Buyukada (Princess Island) and they call themselves "Ermeni asilli Turk" (Turk of Armenian origin). History and values shouldnt be just how the westerner ideology teaches us, such as saying "Ottoman Turks" or saying "Muslim siege of Vienna". We should realize that Ottoman Empire, actually, was nothing but the Islamic version of the Byzanthine Empire, there were no Ottoman Turks, or Byzanthine Greeks. The Rums have called Fatih as "sultan basileus", Fatih called himself "Kayser-i rum", and Turkmens called him the "khan". You see, how points of views can show differences...

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Posted By: TheodoreFelix
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 00:14
Köprülü Mehmet Paşa


How was the Kuprulu dinasty Turkic? Kuprulu born in Berat, Albania and taken in the Ottoman empire elite through the Devshirmeh system...

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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 03:24

So? He was not like you, and his sons were still Turkey, they are still serving turkey. They fight for independence war with turks, after this they were still effective at turkish  politics. Do you know one of his son hanged  with a PM  after a military coup.

do you call his and his family albanian?

 

 

I always thought you were a strong supporter of the Ottoman empire, if so, why would you consider Karamanoglu a hero?
Wasn't he the leader of the Karamans or is this some other guy with a similar name

I dont like what he was did, but he fought like a hero.I dont think we should divide Turkish history, Ottomans and other turks who fight against them.



Posted By: TheodoreFelix
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 11:01

do you call his and his family albanian?

If I could meet with him and speak with him. Then I could tell you, I wouldnt say Alb, but Ottoman. This guy was definiately not "Turkic" meaning related to the eastern Turan people.



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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 11:37
he is a Turk who's living in Turkey, but not ethnicaly Turk.

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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2005 at 09:44

If I could meet with him and speak with him. Then I could tell you, I wouldnt say Alb, but Ottoman.

That family served turkish cause after Turkey too.

This guy was definiately not "Turkic" meaning related to the eastern Turan people.

How many of us? Dont you think, his family also intermarried with Turks?

Most of our family had some non-Turkish gen.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2005 at 12:16

Anyway, lets stick onto our topic...

Osman Tufan Bey, the savior of Adana-Develi and Haçın (Saimbeyli) from the Armenian gangs terrorizing the region and from the French invasion.

Kamberli Osman Bey, Özdemiroğlu Yaşar Bey:

He saved Cukurova from the French-Armenian invasion, rebelled and resisted against them with his followers, and took over Turkish cities. He took the French flag down and rised up the Turkish flag.



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Posted By: Moustafa Pasha
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 16:06
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/index.htm -
http://i-cias.com/e.o/index.htm">Orient for North Africa and the Middle East http://i-cias.com/e.o/index.htm">
Ismet Inönü



Ismet Inönü
He saved Turkey from the Greek invasion.


Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 09:02

not only him Mustafa Pasha (many others including Atatürk), also he whas ethnically kurd.

 



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Posted By: sedamoun
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 08:04

For me, it's tight between Ferdi, Orhan and Müslmum baba, but the winner has to be Orhan baba: the ultimate modern turkish Hero.

Cheers.



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Posted By: merced12
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 08:06

yeah

propaganda pictures



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16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``


Posted By: merced12
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 08:21
Originally posted by sedamoun

For me, it's tight between Ferdi, Orhan and Müslmum baba, but the winner has to be Orhan baba: the ultimate modern turkish Hero.

Cheers.

no sedamum i think tarkan ,girls of king



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http://www.turks.org.uk/ - http://www.turks.org.uk/
16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``


Posted By: Turkoglu
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 10:49
Çakabey




Timur (Infact he ruled the Mongol Empire he was Turkic, from Barlas Tribe)



Ulubatli Hasan



Attila


Mustafa Kemal ATATURK






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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 12:51
Originally posted by Hak-Khan


Nihal Atsız and his Gök-Turk wishes




Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 12:51
Originally posted by Hak-Khan

Abdullah Çatlı





Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 12:53
I'm glad Hak-Khan was banned.


Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 13:37

 



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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 13:44

Tarkan is gay not a hero.

Also Ulubatlı hasan is a devsirme, not ethnic turk, but ottoman. He have not holy turkish blood.

 

 



Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 14:06
Ulubatlı Hasan didn't exist...


Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 14:17

ah that is worse than becoming a devsirme.(at least we had a ottoman hero, now we have not any hero)

 can you explain why he didnot exist. did I miss something?



Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 17:39

Good job dear, really interesting pictures there.
Keep the good job up.



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 18:06
Originally posted by Mortaza

ah that is worse than becoming a devsirme.(at least we had a ottoman hero, now we have not any hero)


can you explain why he didnot exist. did I miss something?


I should explain why he didn't exist? How on earth can I do that?

He is a myth. End of the story.


Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 18:07
Nihal Atsız's haircut reminds me of someone...




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