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Poll Question: do you accept Turkey in E.U?
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I voted yes. Having a lot of Turks in Germany i can clearly see they perfectly fit into the heartland of europe, therefore they are european.
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EU, rejection will be to the most part reconcideration of the trade agreements with EU, meaning to say there will be much money lost on EU's behalf.. similar in shape.. sorry but you seem to have no idea of Turkey at all, it is more advanced and civilized than most european countries, with no military equal in EU to match strength..


Huh, what do I care about the Turkish devellopment? I think it's not a European country, it can have 50.000 diamonds of Istanbul and as many 3 empires tower project it doesn't move the country out of asia to Europe.
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Will the question about Turkey accesion to EU break the Paris-Berlin axis?

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Will the question about Turkey accesion to EU break the Paris-Berlin axis?



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EU, rejection will be to the most part reconcideration of the
trade agreements with EU, meaning to say there will be much money lost
on EU's behalf.. similar in shape.. sorry but you seem to have no idea
of Turkey at all, it is more advanced and civilized than most european
countries, with no military equal in EU to match strength..


Huh, what do I care about the Turkish devellopment? I think it's not a
European country, it can have 50.000 diamonds of Istanbul and as many 3
empires tower project it doesn't move the country out of asia to Europe.


Same here, what do we care about the french or the germans or the english? nothing..just a bunch of people thats only good for talking, as for europe, just take a simple map, maybe you'll see where it is..
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Same here, what do we care about the french or the germans or the english? nothing..just a bunch of people thats only good for talking, as for europe, just take a simple map, maybe you'll see where it is..


When I look at a map I see 95% (at least) of Turkey is in Asia. You don't need to be a genius in geography to see it. The Bosphorus is the limit, only a small part of Turkey is in Europe, the largest (euphemism) part of it is in asia, the largest part of its population is in asia. That should settle it.

Considering France has Saint Pierre & Miquelon, we could join NAFTA if Turkey join the EU.

If you don't care about the French or German, that's very good for you. But that's totaly irrelevant here because it's not France or Germany we are debating but Turkey in the EU.
 

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Same here, what do we care about the french or the germans or the english? nothing..just a bunch of people thats only good for talking, as for europe, just take a simple map, maybe you'll see where it is..


When I look at a map I see 95% (at least) of Turkey is in Asia. You don't need to be a genius in geography to see it. The Bosphorus is the limit, only a small part of Turkey is in Europe, the largest (euphemism) part of it is in asia, the largest part of its population is in asia. That should settle it.

Considering France has Saint Pierre & Miquelon, we could join NAFTA if Turkey join the EU.

If you don't care about the French or German, that's very good for you. But that's totaly irrelevant here because it's not France or Germany we are debating but Turkey in the EU.
 

Typical french or european posts here i see...

Wy do you worrying abou us? Who said we gonna join EU or who said we want it?

But for you it has another meaning if Turkey joins Eu. You will say "Hey mam Turks are coming HIDE HIDE HIDE" Because you sir are SCARED OF US...
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Originally posted by Exarchus

Originally posted by baracuda



Same here, what do we care about the french or the germans or the english? nothing..just a bunch of people thats only good for talking, as for europe, just take a simple map, maybe you'll see where it is..


When I look at a map I see 95% (at least) of Turkey is in Asia. You don't need to be a genius in geography to see it. The Bosphorus is the limit, only a small part of Turkey is in Europe, the largest (euphemism) part of it is in asia, the largest part of its population is in asia. That should settle it.

Considering France has Saint Pierre & Miquelon, we could join NAFTA if Turkey join the EU.

If you don't care about the French or German, that's very good for you. But that's totaly irrelevant here because it's not France or Germany we are debating but Turkey in the EU.
 

exharcus now i see why you are complaining,we are not jumping on france,we are jumping on you

ankara may be the capital but our european part is the heart of turkey,econimically and in lots of other ways.So if you are saying that we have very little land on europe,then why did the EU ask switzerland to join?Isn't it "small"?

We do have land in europe,we have been in europe for 600 years,and our land in europe is small,but an importrant part.

If istanbul is an important part for turkey but not europe,you wouldn't mind us closing the boaz would you?we'll see how little damage could come from such %5 land?

 
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Originally posted by Spartakus

The spearhead of Turkish foreign policy are the F-16s.


Thats a pretty juvenile view on the foreign policy.. by the way the new F-16's greece bought from Turkey..


No,my friend.That's the truth as much juvenile as it seems to you,at least in the Agean.The new F-16s Block 52 Plus were bought from USA because Turkey does not have such aicrafts nor it seems to buy them soon.
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we do have such aircrafts,that is wrong
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Why are you Turks saying I'm affraid or no or comparing yourselves to Switzerland.

Switzerland is an European country, there is no point on arguing it. And why should we close the borderlines with Turkey?

Can't you guys read, I said I'm in favor a strong partnership with Turkey but not a membership.

It's not a question of racism/genetics and stuff. The Greeks are fairly similar to the Turks.

It's not a question of religion, Bosnia is very muslim and is still European.

And it's not a question of influence, think of my example of France joining NAFTA? Would it make any sense? France has lands in north america, and think of the French influence over N America in term of cities (Detroit, New Orleans, Saint Louis, Louisville,  Baton Rouge, Des Moines, Montreal, Gatineau) and states or provinces (Vermont, Quebec, Great Louisania), or even landmarks (Statue of Liberty).............. I would dare saying the French influence over N America was bigger than the Turkish one in Europe.

You have my opinions, and you got to respect it.


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we do have such aircrafts,that is wrong
BLOCK 52 PLUS?

 No you do not.
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They'll have the F-35 though in the long run.
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Until then we shall see.
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NO!! Turkey is not in Europe. We are different. We can be good neigbours but nothing more.....

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Not yet.
I don't have fundamental objections against Turkey in the EU, but some problems (human rights, Cyprus, Armenian genocide) need to be solved first.

Thanks for your "no" but Turkey has been accepted by European Union to start the negotiations on 3 of October 2005. EU has accepted that Turkey has fulfilled the Copenhagen criteria including human right issues. Abusing human rights issues to say No to Turkey's entrence is not fair.

For Cyprus, Turkish side voted in referandum YES for United Nation's Annan Plan which was also supported by EU. But Greek side has rejected it. So the problem should be solved by Greek side not by Turkey.

So called Armenian genocide issue will never be accepted by Turkish people and the Turkish state. Forget about it. 
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NO!! Turkey is not in Europe. We are different. We can be good neigbours but nothing more.....





I must congratulate you for this, that's exactly my point. We can stay good neightbours and have trading alliance. But not going political, and as the rest of your post proves it, there are other points that both side won't accept.
 
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NO!! Turkey is not in Europe. We are different. We can be good neigbours but nothing more.....

yeah we are in africa.

if everything was left to you we'd be the small turan state with bows and arrows,now i really understand what beylerbeyi meant....
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Originally posted by Spartakus

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The spearhead of Turkish foreign policy are the F-16s.
Thats a pretty juvenile view on the foreign policy.. by the way the new F-16's greece bought from Turkey..
No,my friend.That's the truth as much juvenile as it seems to you,at least in the Agean.The new F-16s Block 52 Plus were bought from USA because Turkey does not have such aicrafts nor it seems to buy them soon.


F-16 planes of greece

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article5.html

F-16 planes of Turkey

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html

note F-16 Block 50/52 difference is only in engine F110-GE-129 and the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 respectavly

and also note that Turkey might not have Block 52 aircraft, as it doesnt need to, we have modernized variants of Block 40 / 50 aircraft with new avionic and radar and engine systems.. Adding to that Turkey is one of the constructors for the F-16's who constructs them from A-Z.. including engines and systems.. so its just useless to argue on the subject, by the way the cripto-codes greece uses on these planes are produced by 2 nations US or Turkey...
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