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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Topic: The end of Assad seems to be near! Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 14:21 |
After some sad news, some good ones are coming from Syria, we can hope that one of the worst dictators in the world will fall soon, of course it depends on what will happen in the next days.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 14:58 |
I still can't believe how Assad mess up all things.
In his period, Syria had become a tourstic country for people in West He had sent positive messages to Isreal for peace Syria had become Turkey's one of the best partner. He was so polite against Lebanon. Other Syrian leaders tried to control Lebanon more.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 15:36 |
Not if you understood or were willing to examine his relationship with terrorists and terrorist supporting states.
It was as his father demonstrated a façade..an obfuscation and overt lie..all along.
His strength lies in the Iranian wacko fundamentalists; the Russian and PRC blocking and their ongoing support of his repression.
It actually was entirely predictable and expected.
What happens next in Syria is actually immaterial... even tho gas has been used and innocents die. The real question remains if the West refuses to act.... no matter the ramblings of the Russians etc....what further lesson will be learned by the fundo's in Iran.
Answer?
Increase production efforts on nuc weapons. As they will remain satisfied that the west remains cowards. And that would include the opposition states in the region.... Islamic or not.
Even if strikes occur in Syria they will ntl continue to ramp up....response?
Send them an equally strong military response on Ports, oil production sites-refineries, communications, transport networks, disruption of their computer capabilities by virusing their internet usage and defense related infrastructure.
The only thing an Arab or A Persian respects and fears is an Alexander.
Especially a fundo terrorist.
Not some mumbling Chamberlain.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 16:28 |
The response from Syria's supporting countries, sounds much like their response when Sadam was taken out. The reason then, is the reason now, money, or oil, same thing. Syria most likely owes Russia billions, don't know about the PRC, but everybody and their monkey owes them, so it's not unlikely the reason is the same. The German gov. is suspiciously silent, it wouldn't surprise if Syria owed them a bunch as well.
It's interesting that these countries show little concern for the human condition.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 16:48 |
''The reason then, is the reason now, money, or oil, same thing....''.
That's the obvious nexus ole son but not the answer in totality.
That would also have to include fossil fuels contracts let from and for a decade from now.... by any number of recipients...a disaffected young Islamic fundo response in the democratic west.... especially euros who lie in fear of the still non assimilated Arabs living in France and Deutschland....Islamic nations self interests in the region....Sunni vs Shia theology indifferences to each other....and:
The Iranian, terrorist government, aided and abetted by the aforementioned who continue to seek a hegemony within the region and the destruction of the state of Israel.
Any Arab or Persian or other national, lib socialist, wannabe utopianist, on this forum, or another; denying that is a dupe and a liar.
Period.
If we lucky they be the ones hit first...when the bombs and missiles begin.
Amen.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2013 at 17:34 |
One final note: I do not dislike Arabs or Persians or any other nationalist id; or necessarily their homelands. But I do detest with a vehemence that is best left uncharacterized...those from anywhere who either deny religious fanaticism-terrorism existence, of any type, of any ethnicity, or nationality; or those whose silence supports it.
For they remain moral gawdamn cowards in their silence. In their refusal to cherry pick only that which is not offensive to them.
Make no mistake this not an apology. But a statement I'll take to the grave giving damn little what others think.
Now I'm tired.
Don't like me?
Too gawdamn bad.
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Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 02:36 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Not if you understood or were willing to examine his relationship with terrorists and terrorist supporting states. |
Calm Down Cowboy
You didn't use Quote but I think this rock came to me. I said "I can't ",not "I don't". In Turkish they have different meanings.
I said "I can't" because everything began good. Assad really changed something in his period. Read some article about him when he became the first time president. He didn't just talk, he did something and let me know something more then you. Syria is our neighbour.
He has one big sin for me which is one party system. Even he accepted to organize real election with more party but he contiuning to use his tanks. Both sides have a chance in that time. Everybody had need to be calm down and negotiation had should started radiply.
But we missed it
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
The only thing an Arab or A Persian respects and fears is an Alexander.
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What doesn't it mean?
Edited by Ollios - 27-Aug-2013 at 02:36
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Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 03:34 |
I went to Syria two time in the last 10 years and visted some different cities such as Damescus, Tartus, Latakia, ... this country really looked like a province of Iran, everywhere Iranians could be found and it was not necessary for us to know Arabic in this country. Syrians, even the police, never dared to disrespect Iranians, ...
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Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 05:44 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
I went to Syria two time in the last 10 years and visted some different cities such as Damescus, Tartus, Latakia, ... this country really looked like a province of Iran, everywhere Iranians could be found and it was not necessary for us to know Arabic in this country. Syrians, even the police, never dared to disrespect Iranians, ... |
Perhaps because they're more civilized than other Arabs such as those of the Persian Gulf who actually hate the guts of any Iranian.
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
''The reason then, is the reason now, money, or oil, same thing....''.
That's the obvious nexus ole son but not the answer in totality.
That would also have to include fossil fuels contracts let from and for a decade from now.... by any number of recipients...a disaffected young Islamic fundo response in the democratic west.... especially euros who lie in fear of the still non assimilated Arabs living in France and Deutschland....Islamic nations self interests in the region....Sunni vs Shia theology indifferences to each other....and:
The Iranian, terrorist government, aided and abetted by the aforementioned who continue to seek a hegemony within the region and the destruction of the state of Israel.
Any Arab or Persian or other national, lib socialist, wannabe utopianist, on this forum, or another; denying that is a dupe and a liar.
Period.
If we lucky they be the ones hit first...when the bombs and missiles begin.
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Posted: 27-Aug-2013 at 14:19 |
Shamshir, Historum has nothing to do with now and here. If you have any grievances, please stick to the point and the present place and time.
Thank you.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 09:59 |
Yes, please. Besides, around here, we wear getting banned from Historum as a badge of honor.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 14:59 |
guys plz don't call me bad guy but im think assad must remain in power but not on this way it don't worth it . the big question is what will happen when assad gone ? who will take the power what will change ? assad has it's own supporters and he is secular so he easily saying im fighting islamic terrorism if u overthrow him later people may our gov was secular and was developing but americans change it and lead us to this islamic mess . if u attack assad will use W.M.Ds it will put turkey and israel to danger israel have nuclear so they don't worry about assa as long as they dont involve them self in syria but turkey is different it will be turk's second sacrefice after cuban missile crisis and also we must worry about North korea they will act im sure about it . imagen we attack syria and they attack allied force by w.m.d we will take syria for what ? to new islamic regime which will make more trobels than assad ? after these islamics took the power they will take revenge on assad's supporters and than on iranian people surly today no iranian can open it's foot in syria
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Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 15:11 |
Originally posted by Ollios
I still can't believe how Assad mess up all things.
In his period, Syria had become a tourstic country for people in West He had sent positive messages to Isreal for peace Syria had become Turkey's one of the best partner. He was so polite against Lebanon. Other Syrian leaders tried to control Lebanon more.
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i dont think he really have any power in that time in these case Security services will deal with problems and seized the power most of assad's close friends abandoned him . when all these starts they should listen to the turks but they didn't
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Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 15:14 |
if u help islamic guys to take the syria they will try to take revenge on iranian i dont wanna die with chemical bomb when im walking in tehran street what will happens to w.m.ds ??
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Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 15:55 |
Yeah this situation is getting so much worse especially with the recent threat issued by Putin. I don't think this time that they are just bluffing. But I think the bigger issue would be Syria falling prey to the terrorists. That would suck big time. I mean if that happens then it's war in the region on a larger scale which we would expect. Russians know that these terrorists are proxies for America/NATO and their Saudi/Qatari vassals... I'm not sure they would take this very well...
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Posted: 28-Aug-2013 at 16:12 |
Originally posted by yomud
it will put turkey and israel to danger israel have nuclear so they don't worry about assa as long as they dont involve them self in syria but turkey is different it will be turk's second sacrefice |
Their second biggest city Aleppo is just far from the Turkish border as Ashgabat, Iran border. I mean, it is very close also their oil fields too.
In the past bad relation times, there was no direct military contact. Turkey was sending his army to Syrian border and Syrian was giving up
I don't think them as a risk
Originally posted by yomud
after these islamics took the power they will take revenge on assad's supporters and than on iranian people surly today no iranian can open it's foot in syria
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Yes, now there is a danger for Iranians. They can kidnap as Turks in Lebanon. But if the future Syrian goverment is a radical islamist, I think they can rapidly build new relationship with Iran against Israel. However as you know, not all Arabs in Arab Spring was secular democrat guys like not all rebelion in Syria are radical islamist. There are also some radical islamist in Assad side too.
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Posted: 29-Aug-2013 at 20:50 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
The only thing an Arab or A Persian respects and fears is an Alexander.
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Alexander = NATO?
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Posted: 29-Aug-2013 at 20:55 |
The British House of Commons voted against a military strike... Military interventions in the Middle East have failed to reduce religious fanatism. That is a fact.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 02:52 |
Originally posted by TITAN_
Military interventions in the Middle East have failed to reduce religious fanatism.
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Religious fanatism? Is it the reason of military invertion? I don't think so
Assad can be work with religious fanatics in Lebanon but as he is a secular guy and ruled his country like it also that's why we don't hear something about Syrian Christians, they don't choose any side.
Religious fanatics in both side. If the reason is real this, why we are talking to attack just Assad?
the problem is that he didn't share the goverment with Kurds and Sunni Arabs(majority in Syria), not his religious fanatic acts.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2013 at 03:58 |
It is difficult to know some Americans and European, those who wish to kill a cannibal terrorist themselves but rally to urge their government to not punish those who massacre thousands of people, the interesting thing is that they call themselves humanitarians!!
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