History repeats in Gaza

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Like the peoples of all other countries, Israelis have right to decide about their own country, the same thing can be said about Palestine, if this country is formed. The problem is that Israelis have been surrounded by enemies who share the common goal of the destruction of Israel, they have to fight against these enemies and defend their country.

Fair point. The Zionists who support the regime in their colony in Palestine are completely culpable in the crimes against humanity perpetrated by that regime. Just as the people of Palestine are entitled to resist foreign occupation by whatever means are available to them. That they chose Hamas over the "Quisling" Fatah regime is to their credit.

The problem is that the Zionist regime created and continue to maintain the "enemies" that surround them. Lebanon was never an "enemy" until the Zionists meddled in their internal politics and launched a genocidal war against them in 1978. Syria has offered peace, recognition, normalisation of relations and undertaken to absorb their Palestinian refugees since 1948 and has been constantly rebuffed. Jordan was never a threat to Zionists until they reneged on their agreement to share Palestine between them. egypt has also offered peace and recognition on several occasions leading up to 1973, it took a war against them, before the Zionists were forced to make a lasting peace with Egypt. The Zionists created Hamas to destabilise the PLO. Hamas has tried to make peace on several ocasions only to have their leaders murdered. Hezbullah was only created after the Zionist invasion of Lebanon.

The Zionists need conflict in order to maintain their siege mentality and "victim" status with their gullable American ally.  It's no accident that in the recent vote in the U.N. only 8 countries voted with the Zionists, everyone else has finally figured out the truth.  

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri The fact is that the Islamists are the most dangerous savage beings in the world, the region of the Middle East is the central land of these bloodthirsty people, I believe the killing of them is a great service to the humanity and we should thank to Israelis who bravely fight against them.   Of course it is better that Israelis try to not kill those poor children who are used as the human shield by the terrorists, but sometimes they have no other choice, in the corrupt society of Islamists, unfortunately these children will be the next terrorists.

Oh Please, just stop, this is just too hilarious for words.

Do you have any independant evidence that Palestinian children have carried out suicide attacks, that doesn't come from Zionist propaganda sources?

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri   I hope I was wrong, but I read this thing from your first post about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinains: Originally posted by Challenger2 I have no sympathy with the Israelis, after all as they proudly boast to anyone who will listen, they are the only "democracy" in the middle east. They voted for those in power. I think it shows you support this action against Israelis, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri I can also say I have no sympathy with the Gazans, they voted for the terrorists group of Hamas in power, so they deserved what happened against them.

*Yes, I hate to listen same thing (only "democracy" in the middle east) and yes, they have democracy but they use it to choose fasist nationalist leaders as palestines choose Hamas.
*Killing civils with suicide attack or using high technological weapons are same. However I think you are thinking differently

I hope I was wrong, but I read this thing from your post

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri I can also say I have no sympathy with the Gazans, they voted for the terrorists group of Hamas in power, so they deserved what happened against them.

It is same for Israel, they deserved what happened against them (both side). Don't you listen news. What did Israel do after UN decission about Palestine? New 3000 home. This completly mature behaviour like suitable for country which ruled by democracy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20585706

Untill Israel go back 1967 borders, every single Hammas attack is can't be called terrorist attack. It is a guerrilla tactic. When you face very strong enemy, you attack like Hamas. you don't make open field war. Palestines have right to protect their lands. Palestine is a country and it in war situation with Israel. That's why all civil lost means war crime not terrorist attack.

Hamas can attack one bomb/suicide attack in a week(?). However each built settler homes means a bomb which hits Palestine in every single moment. But you are ignoring reallity this and believe that Israel is peaceful.  Maybe you could convince me if I didn't live in Middle East.

There is no black and white in here. Both of side is grey. But pushing just one side, this is so cruel.
Name of the video "Please, Shut Up"

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri The fact is that the Islamists are the most dangerous savage beings in the world, the region of the Middle East is the central land of these bloodthirsty people, I believe the killing of them is a great service to the humanity and we should thank to Israelis who bravely fight against them.

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Hamas=terrorism. Islamist, fascist, genocidist, terrorism directed towards jews in Israel. And if you can not see that; after 65 years of war and terrorism directed against a sovereign state fighting in it's self-defense.

what will you do if I look at like you
"Israel=terrorism. Judist, fascist, genocidist, terrorism directed muslims in Palestine. And if you can not see that after 65 years of war and directed against a sovereign state fighting in it's self-defense."

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis If your a supporter...strap on a bomb...go to Gaza and put your money where your mouth is. Hiding on the fence and in the shadows earns you no points for moral courage.

this is real nonsence, you can do it same thing
If you are a Israel Fan take a gun, go to Palestine, hunt hamas militans put your money where your mouth is. Hiding on the fence and in the shadows earns you no points for moral courage.

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First of all there is no Hamas. If you use term Israel, you have to use term Palestine. If your the former..wake up. Both country is a sovereign state now

Originally posted by Ollios Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Hamas=terrorism. Islamist, fascist, genocidist, terrorism directed towards jews in Israel. And if you can not see that; after 65 years of war and terrorism directed against a sovereign state fighting in it's self-defense. what will you do if I look at like you "Israel=terrorism. Judist, fascist, genocidist, terrorism directed muslims in Palestine. And if you can not see that after 65 years of war and directed against a sovereign state fighting in it's self-defense." Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis If your a supporter...strap on a bomb...go to Gaza and put your money where your mouth is. Hiding on the fence and in the shadows earns you no points for moral courage. this is real nonsence, you can do it same thing If you are a Israel Fan take a gun, go to Palestine, hunt hamas militans put your money where your mouth is. Hiding on the fence and in the shadows earns you no points for moral courage. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Challenger, be careful not to equate all Jews with Zionists. Islamism and Zionism are both forms of terrorism. The people who suffer most are the ordinary Israelis and Palestinians caught in the middle.

Originally posted by BoPoMoFo ...I totally agree with you on the absurdity of this reasoning...

 Me too.  

Edited by Challenger2 - 05-Dec-2012 at 08:32

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis   It took a while for you to finally come out from behind your facade of neutrality vice voiced sympathies for the dupes of Gaza. Led by the internationally recognized Hamas Terrorist group. You've been made. You deny their terrorist activities and you would counter with the same tired old crap spewn by terrorist supporters long before you were born. Your a Hamas terrorist supporter alright and no doubt a closet jew hater. No doubt in my mind.  All your counter attempts

Yes, many activitists all around the world, who don't support Israel's Palestine policy, all of them are terrorist supporters  and all western country who blames Israel's the last acts, are terrorist supporters too. Well done Vigilis, thanks to share your excellent theory about me.

Originally posted by Menumorut Originally posted by Nick1986 Challenger, be careful not to equate all Jews with Zionists. Islamism and Zionism are both forms of terrorism. The people who suffer most are the ordinary Israelis and Palestinians caught in the middle. What's exactly your problem with Zionists? Jews have the right to live in their homeland. Ollios, Hamas is a terrorist organization for at least two reasons: 1. It attacked (Jewish) civilians 2. It terroize its own people (Israeli Arabs).

Edited by BoPoMoFo - 05-Dec-2012 at 20:14

Originally posted by Menumorut What's exactly your problem with Zionists? Jews have the right to live in their homeland.

Jewish people, like Christians or Hindus or Muslims, in fact all human beings can live anywhere that can accept them. Zionist historiography has perverted the Torah and convinced the gullible that the ancestral “Homeland of the Jewish Race” is in Palestine, whereas historically there have been many “Jewish Homelands.”

For example, the Himyarite kingdom in Arabia, the Berber kingdom of queen Kahina in the Maghreb, ancient Khazaria in the Caucasus, even the “The Pale” of central and Eastern Europe was a Jewish homeland for centuries. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast is a de facto Jewish state, so it appears Jewish people everywhere have multiple choices for a “homeland”. In recent history they were offered large tracts of Uganda, Madagascar and Argentina as homelands.

They can live in Palestine for all I care, but they have no right to dispossess a native population of their homeland to do so. They have no right to oppress, murder, rape and plunder another people to do so and finally they have no right to complain when the people that they have treated so cruelly for over half a century rise up against them .      

Originally posted by Menumorut .. Hamas is a terrorist organization for at least two reasons...

Hamas is a terrorist organisation because the American Congress chooses to say so at the behest of their Zionist paymasters and because the Zionist colonists in Palestine want it that way. The E.U. does what America says, but the rest of the world thinks otherwise. For that matter the numbers of people in the E.U. that think otherwise is also growing with every new atrocity perpetrated by the Zionist regime.