History repeats in Gaza

Is this one on photo,human being Cyrus or doll?History(HiSToRi) has never failed it's name till today!Events
that happens today had been started long time ago.History just resurrects them.Which does purpose use for it?Ruling of territories?Preserving of world order?In ancient time Alexander used,old conflict had happened here before in drama with horses.It is Middle East&Indian idea not "Greek"."Greeks" simply cut the head&put male organ in his mouth with stone Epitaph!I saw it on History but can not find a picture now.Maybe you will help me.Regards Cyrus!

Edited by medenaywe - 22-Nov-2012 at 06:15

New Wave of animal heard behavior comes all around the world and old racial "scientific" theories are inside
all "democratic" governments projects.It is a pity for human kind.Did the police prevent&punish it?

Spies and traitors have been executed in time of war since before even Batis was born. Ancient Persian execution techniques were quite inventive as I recall. "Behold the head of a traitor" was a common cry throughout history. Even America has the death penalty for treason http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381.

From your article these people were responsible for the deaths of their own people and ultimately, a fundamental tenet of any legal system is, "Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done."

Then you see nothing wrong with Hamas sending rockets into populated areas of Israel, without warning or provocation. And of course Israel's reaction was unjustified and an over reaction to political statements made with artillery fire.

Edited by red clay - 22-Nov-2012 at 11:10

Originally posted by red clay Then you see nothing wrong with Hamas sending rockets into populated areas of Israel, without warning or provocation. And of course Israel's reaction was unjustified and an over reaction to political statements made with artillery fire.   Israel exists, it's not going anywhere and it will get stronger still. There are many countries aside from the US who support it.   Being as anti Zionist as you are, you probably won't agree with any of this.  Hamas and Hezbollah have to suck it in and realize they are opposing something much bigger than they are, and start to put their resources to use improving the general conditions of the Palestinian people.  The amount of money spent on acquiring arms is staggering.  If used in another manner, that money could drastically improve the lives of everyday Palestinians.  If that was what they were really interested in.

Absolute BS, Clay! I have openly spoken against Hamas and I oppose what they do whole-heartedly. Yes, they are terrorists and I have absolutely no problem in saying it. The problem I am seeing here, which is the reason behind my comment, is that some of you seem to take sides with Israel against Palestinians as if Israel is beyond reproach. It just seems to me that if you speak against crimes committed by palestinians and Hamas, why leave out Israel from your criticism? Is Israel beyond reproach simply because they have a semi-democracy?

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Baal Melqart, do you talk about the crimes committed by the prophet Muhammad and his successors? Of course talking or not talking is one thing and supporting or not supporting an ugly action is another thing, I never support the crimes committed by some Israelis, but just not talk about them.

You're gonna drag me into a subject that is too big to be spoken of here without going totally off-topic. I have spoken many times against the image of Muhammad that is portrayed in Islamic books and said myself that Muslims have no reason to complain about people ridiculing their prophet if they themselves can't get their own shit together. Suffice it to say, this does not affect me in any way but I have criticised them many times because of the crimes they believe Muhammad committed and whole-heartedly agree with, just because they think them to be true and authentic accounts. In fact, this exact topic has got me in trouble with so many of my family members and friends, so no you can't culpabilise me for turning a blind eye on this topic.

As to speaking against the crimes of the so called 'successors' or 'companions' I have done that quite a few times, even on this forum! I am also constantly criticising them in front of people and on other forums whenever I get a chance to. I think they are all bloody psychopaths, theives and murderers and I have made my opinion as clear as broad daylight.

Cyrus, when you only speak out against a single group f people then you must understand that this sounds like you're taking sides and spreading a form of propaganda. I'm not saying that you are in agreement with israel's crimes but it wouldn't hurt to show some neutrality and apply the same judgement on Israel.

You mean like all the Tibetans must do is renounce violence and then the Chinese will leave? Or all in the way the Easter Islanders don't use violence and Chileans have left (oh I forget, they haven't).

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri There is no country named Palestine, the original land of these Arabs who call themselves Palestinian is the Arabian Peninsula, Jews already live in their own motherland, why some people can't understand these obvious facts?!!

Probably because they're neither obvious nor facts, but the usual Zionist historical distortion of history. The region was named "Palestina" by the Romans and it was a Roman province until the Muslim conquests of the 7th Century CE. Interestingly the Arab invaders did not displace the people in the area but lived alongside them and there is no recorded historical colonisation by Arabs from the Arabian penunsula. The indigenous peoples merely learned to speak Arabic and many converted to Islam in the succeeding centuries.

If you are saying there was never a sovereign independant state called Palestine before 1918, I'd have to agree, nevertheless the state of Palestine was recognised by the League of Nations as a state in being but under temporary supervision by the British until it was ready to assume a sovereign status. This is something Zionist historiography strenuously avoids mentioning.

As regards the Zionist state of Israel, that didn't exist until 1948 and it is still not recognised as a state by large portions of the planet outside of the "West". The original motherlands of most the current inhabiants of the Zionist state are to be found in Europe.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri There is no country named Palestine, the original land of these Arabs who call themselves Palestinian is the Arabian Peninsula, Jews already live in their own motherland, why some people can't understand these obvious facts?!!

because your statement is false, big time and I can prove it to be so. You're just regurgitating extremist pro-zionist opinions, not the first time I heard such alleged facts. Yes, Jews are genetically descended from the Hebraic peoples or Israelites that once lived in Palestine and I guess that means they have a right to live in this land. So far I agree. Yet the Palestinians according to such a standard are even more deserving to have a share of the land than the Jews themselves, namely because they have more blood from ancient Israelites and this has been supported even by many prominent Jews, such as Ben Gurion.

Anyone who studies the genetics and culture of the Palestinians can tell you quite clearly that your claim is baseless. Palestinian names for villages and many of their customs have a very deep connection with ancient Jewish traditions and it suffices that the Keffiyah that palestinians still wear nowadays has threads at the corners, exactly like a Tzitzit on a Jewish prayer shawl.










Many scholars have noted these many similarities in culture and tradition. The fact of the matter is that the region was inhabited by Jews and Christians who were native to it. When the Muslims conquered Palestine, many were either forced or coerced to convert and these converted Jews and Christians are the modern-day Palestinians. To claim that they are originally from Hijaz simply because they were conquered by those people is to say that all Iranians nowadays are from Hijaz simply because of the Muslim conquests.

I mean, you know better than me that the Bedouins of Hijaz were not a very numerous people back in those days and that's mainly because desert regions do not promote population growth. The conquerors were a small minority in the lands which they conquered and as such it is utterly unreasonable to say that they somehow were able to genetically displace all the Jewish/Christian Palestinians that were living there for many centuries before them.

Now I'm not gonna deny that the Palestinians definitely have some descent from Hijazis and other bedouins tribes that lived in Jordana and Syria but then this would be the same for all nations nowadays. Can anyone say that a modern-day nation has a pure race? Of course not...

Call the land whatever you want, Palestine, Israel, Judah... The fact will still remain that Palestinians have a deep connection with this land and have long-time history to back it up as well.

Originally posted by Baal Melqart because your statement is false, big time and I can prove it to be so. You're just regurgitating extremist pro-zionist opinions, not the first time I heard such alleged facts. Yes, Jews are genetically descended from the Hebraic peoples or Israelites that once lived in Palestine and I guess that means they have a right to live in this land. So far I agree. Yet the Palestinians according to such a standard are even more deserving to have a share of the land than the Jews themselves, namely because they have more blood from ancient Israelites and this has been supported even by many prominent Jews, such as Ben Gurion. Anyone who studies the genetics and culture of the Palestinians can tell you quite clearly that your claim is baseless. Palestinian names for villages and many of their customs have a very deep connection with ancient Jewish traditions and it suffices that the Keffiyah that palestinians still wear nowadays has threads at the corners, exactly like a Tzitzit on a Jewish prayer shawl. Many scholars have noted these many similarities in culture and tradition. The fact of the matter is that the region was inhabited by Jews and Christians who were native to it. When the Muslims conquered Palestine, many were either forced or coerced to convert and these converted Jews and Christians are the modern-day Palestinians. To claim that they are originally from Hijaz simply because they were conquered by those people is to say that all Iranians nowadays are from Hijaz simply because of the Muslim conquests. I mean, you know better than me that the Bedouins of Hijaz were not a very numerous people back in those days and that's mainly because desert regions do not promote population growth. The conquerors were a small minority in the lands which they conquered and as such it is utterly unreasonable to say that they somehow were able to genetically displace all the Jewish/Christian Palestinians that were living there for many centuries before them. Now I'm not gonna deny that the Palestinians definitely have some descent from Hijazis and other bedouins tribes that lived in Jordana and Syria but then this would be the same for all nations nowadays. Can anyone say that a modern-day nation has a pure race? Of course not... Call the land whatever you want, Palestine, Israel, Judah... The fact will still remain that Palestinians have a deep connection with this land and have long-time history to back it up as well.