illegals

I definately understand Jalisco Lancer's reaction.
It's your right to have a different opinion, but if you post 4 posts directly after each other, each one containing more fear mongering nonsense, I Mexicans feel unsulted by that. I don't believe you're xenophobic, but the people who make up stupid stories like deseases being carryied by immigrants are. They create this kind of stories to get non-xenophobic people on their side, apparently with succes.

I'll give you two advices:
1. Don't believe everything the media tells you.
2. Be less scared for all kinds of things. Criminality, immigration or deseases don't cause the of mankind.


Edited by Mixcoatl

haha immigration to amrica?

Strategos,

It is not about the content of the post, but the language in them. The language is insulting, inaccurate, and hate-inducing.

One can say that that a given number of gang members are crossing the border. This is true. Another thing is to quote president Bush saying that they illegal immigrants are honest people, and then contradict him by quoting the number of gang members coming in. The implied message is that most illegal aliens are not honest people. As you said it yourself, most of them are Mexicans, which turns this argument into an anti-Mexican one.

I will illustrate with a hypothetical Greek example.

"'Immigrant Greeks are honest hardworking people'

Wrong. Thousands of Greek immigrants with criminal records are getting in our country."

As you can see, phrasing the issue this way is very insulting and bigotted. This is what Jalisco has a problem with.

There is no need for a treaty. I already wrote something to that effect in this thread. If you are ready to seriously discuss illegal immigration, I wrote ground rules for it a few post away. Read it and come back with your position following those rules.

Eaglecap,

You missed my point. I was not stating that Greek immigrants are criminals; I was showing how framing the topic the way you did makes it sound like that. It had the right effect though: it seems that the statement was offensive to you. You recognized its offensiveness and its lies. Now you understand what it feels like when you make the same statement about Latin-American illegal immigrants.

The actual content of your post being true is debatable. We can discuss this as long as you restrain your biased and bigoted language.

Here is an example:

"California will vote on having its own border patrol."

You see, no talk of an non-existent "invasion".

I have posted ground rules in this thread for discussing this issue. One of them is to stop posting stories with anti-Mexican slants. I don't think it is a hard thing to ask, but it seems that I was wrong.

Like I said I am done with this argument- what can we do here????
Hugo you are right it is best to spend my energy contacting our politicians and telling them about my concerns. I thank you for some of the intelligent posts you put up and your fairness. You brought up some issues that allowed me to see both sides and even allowed me to think twice about my positions. I got a bunch of links from Frosty Woolridge.

Jalisco, I am sure you are a nice guy but all you can do is insult and call names. You are right posting on this forum is a waste of my precious time, it just goes in circles. When I say I am against illegal immigration you think Mexican. Like I said earlier I do not care where they are from, even people with the same ancestry as myself! But, no matter how many times I say this I am a bigot towards Latinos in your eyes. I will not repsond anymore but here are some figures: (they are more for Hugo since he seems to be very objective and fair minded)
. 2.1 billion to lock up illegals in prisons
Dana, wilkie "Whose problem are they?" California Journal, July 1 2003
. $2.5 billion in medicaid
. $2.2 billion in uninsured medical costs
. $1.4 billion in federal aid to schools
. $1.9 billion in food stamps, WIC and free school lunches.
The high cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and Federal budgets August 2004
The Mexican government should pick up part of the tab for its citizens. I am just as concerend with illegal immigration into Europe and the influence of short sighted big corp. over this issue. Greece is doing the right thing by going after the employers.

I will no longer waste time here but move onto other topics so post what you want.
Just a thought!!
The influx of Germanic barbarians changed the course of Roman history, so I wonder how much of an impact the illegal alien problem will have on America's future????

http://suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-sweet13.html

Read about "The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005"

This is a proposal. It has not been introduced to the senate or the house yet.

I think that it is pragmatic idea. It will allow people to come legally to work in low paying jobs after passing a security and health ckeck that the immigrant has to pay for.

Originally posted by hugoestr [quote] Just a thought!! The influx of Germanic barbarians changed the course of Roman history, so I wonder how much of an impact the illegal alien problem will have on America's future????

 



As a public service, I will remind everyone that white Americans are the single biggest recepients of welfare in the United States.

QUOTE]

Your statement is misleading, because more than 80% of the population is White Americans, so it would be normal for them to recieve the most welfare. Also, there percentage of welfare doesn't even dominate the system. illegal immigrants get better health care than some americans do. Now, you have the  American flag, is that right? Illegals get it over many Veterans who fought for the US. Illegals inside the united states already violated a crime, coming to the US illegal, so there more likely to keep breaking laws.

You are an AMerican. Isn't it unfair that illegals can use up taxpayers money for healthcare and other things, but not all US citizens can get them?