illegals

I raised the issue in the other thread, and I am raising it again:

The U.S. needs slave-labor to function. The closest thing to slave labor is illegal labor. Without illegal labor, many farmers would go out of business and you will be paying seven dollars for each tomato you buy. The government is not going to close the border until there is an alternative source of slave-like labor.

Of course we live in a free society, so why not a group of anti-illegal immigrants volunteer to work for 1.50 and hour picking lettuce from sunrise to sunset? This is the salary the market can bear, and your work will do more to stop illegal immigration than any other action.

Or you can call your congressperson and annoy them to death about this issue. Enforcement will come from Washington, not from the border.

You should have a better chance of doing it now than before: The Republican White House and Congress are on your side, aren't it?

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illegal immigrants pour into New England from Europe to this day yet they dont care.

SO either the US is racist against only Mexican immigrants or New Englanders are just more tolerant people.

Either way Im for whatever is good for the economy, and that is to have illegals coming in and working at jobs.

Does this include these aliens!!


planet X



multi tasked!!

America is not the only country being flooded with illegal immigrants!! It is also a real probelem in Japan, Malayasia and Europe. It will only get worse and I strongly believe any of these nations have the right to protect their borders, langauge and culture by deporting illegal immigrants. Forgot Australia to!!!

Greece would be doing the right thing by deporting them.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/kurdistanobserve/7-11-01-reu-g reece-may-deports-illegal-refugees.html

Greece considers deporting 1,000 illegal refugees

ATHENS, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Greece on Tuesday was considering deporting about 1,000
mostly Kurdish would-be immigrants whose ship was found drifting near the Ionian islands
on Monday.

"We are considering the issue of their reintegration into their country of origin," government
spokesman Christos Protopappas told reporters. "I don't think they are political refugees."

On Monday the Greek coastguard towed the 50-metre (160-ft) Turkish-flagged vessel to the
port of Zakynthos after fire damaged its engines during a storm. Authorities said it was
probably on its way to Italy.

A number of the women and children from the vessel were treated for minor injuries,
exhaustion and dehydration at health centres at the port and elsewhere on the island.

"Some of them are very exhausted. They don't seem to have eaten in the past four or five
days," a local doctor said.

The other immigrants remained on board.

Local authorities were considering temporarily housing some or all of the group in a sports
hall.

Merchant Marine Minister Giorgos Anomeritis arrived in Zakynthos on Tuesday to assess
the situation.

This year Greece has detained over 5,000 illegal immigrants, more than 100 suspected
people-smugglers and 83 vessels involved in ferrying illegal immigrants.

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Originally posted by Le Renard I don't have a problem with legal immigration but when it comes to illegals it I really don't like it.� Here in America I feel that for the Mexican/American Border we need to put up a border like the Koreas, tall chain link fence with barbed wire across the top, and guards patroling the fence.� But without�the guards shooting someone if they get to near. The road issue, only people with valid US picture IDs or a immigration permit are allowed to pas through, after their car has been searched. I personally think that all of the illegal aliens need to be rounded up and taken back to their home land because they are taking advantage of our tax dollers. What is you view on this topic?� I am curious. How does your country or you reeact to illegals in your country? I realize this is like the "America's Borders" topic, but i wanted it to be more focused on this topic.

How does my country react to illegal alliens ?
Let's see, we granted land to them, we asked them to be catholics, do not continue with the slavery, pay taxes, become mexican citizens and learn spanish.
In exchange, they revolted agaisnt the country that gave them an opportunity. Opportunity that they did not had at their country.

Yes, let's deport all the illegal alliens starting with Austin, Houston and the others who took advantage of the the empresario program.

Let's deport all the illegal alliens starting 1492.

How's that ?

Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer Originally posted by Le Renard I don't have a problem with legal immigration but when it comes to illegals it I really don't like it.� Here in America I feel that for the Mexican/American Border we need to put up a border like the Koreas, tall chain link fence with barbed wire across the top, and guards patroling the fence.� But without�the guards shooting someone if they get to near. The road issue, only people with valid US picture IDs or a immigration permit are allowed to pas through, after their car has been searched. I personally think that all of the illegal aliens need to be rounded up and taken back to their home land because they are taking advantage of our tax dollers. What is you view on this topic?� I am curious. How does your country or you reeact to illegals in your country? I realize this is like the "America's Borders" topic, but i wanted it to be more focused on this topic. How does my country react to illegal alliens ? Let's see, we granted land to them, we asked them to be catholics, do not continue with the slavery, pay taxes, become mexican citizens and learn spanish. In exchange, they revolted agaisnt the country that gave them an opportunity. Opportunity that they did not had at their country. Yes, let's deport all the illegal alliens starting with Austin, Houston and the others who took advantage of the the empresario program. Let's deport all the illegal alliens starting 1492. How's that ?

You have a valid point but remember the Apache Indians saw the Spanish and Mexican also as invaders. If you know anything about the Apaches they were a constant war with the Spanish and Mexicans.

At first they wanted the Americans as allies but eventually realized that the Anglos were also coming to occupy their land and rightfully made war on Americans. Now, the Pueblo and Hopi claim they were here before the Apache, Navajo or Mexicans.

I can say the Greeks were in Anatolia before the Turks but like America Turkey is a sovereign nation so the borders should be respected and America has the right to deport illegal immigrants.

I strongly support legal immigration but Mexico, maybe Canada to-lol

When I lived in Walla Walla I had several Mexican friends who worked up from the feilds to a career or their own buisness. They originally came here legally and I respected their success. I have known Mexican Americans who feel the same way I do about illegal immigration that I do.

I wish we lived in a perfect world!

I think Mexico should give us oil to help pay for the costs of illegal immigrants.

I think Mexico should give us oil to help pay for the costs of illegal immigrants.
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You wish.
There are more benefits than cost associated.

Who do you think supports the California's economy ?
Do you really believe that movies are the real profit for the 5th largest world economy ?


History is cyclic. You should know it.
Anyways, the immigration ( legal or not ) to the USA will continue like it or not. Get real. Everything is about economy.

Otherwise, what do you really think that stops to the White House from seal the borders ?








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Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer I think Mexico should give us oil to help pay for the costs of illegal immigrants.

You wish.
There are more benefits than cost associated.

Who do you think supports the California's economy ?
Do you really believe that movies are the real profit for the 5th largest world economy ?[/QUOTE]

numberusa has all the stats about the cost of illegal immigrants. True agriculture is the #1 industry in California and even Washington State. I realize we benefit from migrant workers.

It is also true that it cannot be totally stopped but it can be curtailed a lot by enforcing the laws on the books and going after the employers with heavy fines and jail time. But, it will not happen because big business has Bush in their pocket. Bush is a good man but does he really call the shots, no!!

Like I said America is not the only country with illegal immigrants. When I was in Greece I saw illegals from all over the world. Made me upset to be honest and the Greeks or any European nation has the right to protect their borders, language and culture by deporting them. Greece is doing well economically but still they have few resources and cannot keep absorbing illegal immigrants from all over; borders, language and culture. The problem is that Greece has caved in from pressure by so-called left-wing human rights groups and they have given the illegals amnesty two or three times. The more they grant amnesty the more illegals will pour into Greece or Europe.

History is cyclic. You should know it.
Anyways, the immigration ( legal or not ) to the USA will continue like it or not. Get real. Everything is about economy.

I do not oppose immigration but speaking of history remember what the Germanic invasion into the Roman Empire eventually did to the west half of the Roman Empire!

Otherwise, what do you really think that stops to the White House from seal the borders?

They won't but we can pressure them to. They are suppose to represent us but if Jeb Bush runs for President this will be an issue. I think the lack of effort by George Bush and the Terry Shivao incident will cost Jeb the Chance to win the primary. I am a cynic when it comes to politicians!! lol

Yes,I have to have Goerge Bush as President of the country I live in,and I have his brother as governor of the state I live in.Pft,but he aint as bad as George.In the terms of Illegals,I heard from a friend in Arizona that the Spanish Population,regardless of illegal Mexican or legal other Spanish,,is being treated kinda badly.My friend is Spanish and the doctors refused medical treatment,and she had all the proper things to get medical attention.It was because she was Spanish.

Now,Americans on the borders will do almost anything to trespassers,maybe even kill.That is not right.

Kerry is no better but I am starting to believe it is whoever the elite want in office, maybe I listen to coast to coast too much!!