3800 year old Egyptian ship rebuilt and sailed

They sailed and traded for sure.Where did they?Mediterranean sea coastal area for sure.India?America?China?Poles?Scale of trading depended of population inside trading area.Will be the same if 2000 years after,Apollo moon module,they found?"We need video material that this one really have flyed to the moon" or "They had never been to the moon.Everything was  photo montage".


Edited by medenaywe - 08-Feb-2011 at 12:42

What will be next?Artifacts for Columbian cartel ancient ties with Europe?Dust to dust,ashes to ashes!
 White powder always change the world.

Originally posted by lirelou Opus, where I went to University, they were called 'corsarios'. In English, Barbary Corsairs, or Barbary Pirates. I believe you'll find that such was the term used to describe them by the newly born U.S. Navy. (Stephen Decatur? The USMC 'mamaluke sword', etc.)  'African' would have been a bit simplistic, no?

Yes, you seem to have pulled the last name for these people from a bunch of earlier possibilites!

http://www.swashbuckler.co.nz/Realpirates/PiratesMed.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy

"The Barbary pirates were pirates and privateers that operated from North African (the "Barbary coast") ports of Tunis, Tripoli, Algiers, Salé and ports in Morocco, preying on shipping in the western Mediterranean Sea from the time of the Crusades as well as on ships on their way to Asia around Africa until the early 19th century. The coastal villages and towns of Italy, Spain and Mediterranean islands were frequently attacked by them and long stretches of the Italian and Spanish coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants; after 1600 Barbary pirates occasionally entered the Atlantic and struck as far north as Iceland. According to Robert Davis[26][27] between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries. The most famous corsairs were the Ottoman Hayreddin and his older brother Oruç Reis (Redbeard), Turgut Reis (known as Dragut in the West), Kurtoğlu (known as Curtogoli in the West), Kemal Reis, Salih Reis and Koca Murat Reis. A few Barbary pirates, such as Jan Janszoon and John Ward [Yusuf Reis], were renegade English privateers who had converted to Islam.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the United States treated captured Barbary corsairs as prisoners of war, indicating that they were considered as legitimate privateers by at least some of their opponents, as well as by their home countries."

The key words from the above are; "...preying on shipping in the western Mediterranean Sea from the time of the Crusades as well as on ships on their way to Asia around Africa until the early 19th century."

Lets see, the Crusades? lets say some where in the middle of the 1200's to sometime in the early 1820's?, so lets just say from 1220
CE, to 1820 CE? It appears that one group or another seems to have profitited from piracy while being located in a few special areas upon the shore line of N. Africa from Carthage to Gibralta, for about 700 continous years!!!
Even if we cut 100 years from this suggestion, we are left with a period of 600 years!!!

This seems to have really been an Empire!, and a long lived one at that!

And, surprisingly this entire part of the coast line of N. Africa, is also reportedly one that was repeatedly conquered and settled by the Phoenicians, the Goths, the Vandals, and the Saracens or Moors or
Arabs, and then by the Ottomans? And,it seems the largest business of this coastal area was piracy and slave trade!

For me to go further, I would have to post in the Revisionist History section!, or receive my exile on Elba! Laugh!

Regards,


Edited by opuslola - 01-Apr-2010 at 14:43

Originally posted by Carcharodon A replica of an ancient Egyptian ship of the kind that used to sail to Punt has been tested and proven very seaworthy and capable:   3800 year old Egyptian ship rebuilt and sailed

Edited by Shield-of-Dardania - 31-Mar-2010 at 21:54

No worries, Mate. Done that a few times myself. Perhaps someone here has confused the Carthaginians, those descendants of the Phoenicians who settled on the North African coast, with that Middle Eastern people. If the Carthaginians were African, then Charlize Theron is an African (or Afrikaaner) as well. Still, I don't think she would argue that such gives her any genetically ordained skills in maritime navigation. Pardon this reductio ab absurdum, but that seems to be what that post was meant to elicit.

GCLE, Melville also has two Black characters in Moby Dick. One, a sailor, proves not to have the mettle for whaling. But the other is an African they picked up on some coast who rose to become a Harpooner, which Melville underscores carries the status of a ship's officer, and not a mere sailor. 

Originally posted by pinguin Curious. If they were such a good sailors why they subcontracted Phoenicians for the job?

The Phoenicians were Africans

The historical sources regarding Punt in ancient time seems to bee a bit vague. Schoolars have suggested trading ports in Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti, Yemen or Somalia.

Edited by Carcharodon - 06-Jun-2009 at 01:04

Athens' ships, in the days of the Peleponesian War, were largely manned by "foreign mercenaries", which I presume included Greeks from non-aligned city-states. Some historians have commented on the international makeup of sailors who manned Spain's ships in the "Golden Age". Arturo Perez-Reverte, a novelist who is no mean historian when to comes to detail, portrays the crews of Mediterranian galleys as fairly international in makeup. Herman Melville, in "Moby Dick", comments on how international nature of the crews on U.S. whaling ships in the first part of the 19th Century. Apparently up until the Age of Nelson, the sailors actually manning naval ships were technically civilians. Only the ships' officers, marines, and gunners were considered military personnel.  Perhaps the early Egyptian fleets were similarly manned.

What the Dutch were especially good at was building ships that could navigate in (relatively) shallow waters. Did that interest the Swedes?

Edited by gcle2003 - 05-Jun-2009 at 14:18