Mughal - Chaghtai (Clan)

I wrote them wrong, I noticed just (:

Dear Yas..bit farfetched..never heard of it.Yes Chauhans had been present in Afghanistan but Bhattis calling themselves as Chagatta and ruling that region. Babur never even mentioned such people

My comment is that this paragraph is complete nonsense.

As for Babur..his ancestor Taimur claimed kinship with Genghis Khan.Old annals also support this as Barulas Mongols(Barlas)participated in Khawarzim campaigns.There was supposed to be a pact between brothers,Kabul Khan and Kajuli Bahadur,ancestors of Genghis and Taimur on a steel plate.The plate was kept by Taimur and shown to Chughtai ruler of his time.

Originally posted by mughal-steel Dear Yas, As far as I know there is no difference.Chagatta is a local form, in rural Punjab,of Chughtai.

I really do think there might be a slight difference. I believed that Chughtai was a unanimous pronounciation, as this is how it is commmonly spelt. Though the slight difference with Chagatta might be in relation to belonging from a more 'central asian' geographical location, and not just a 'rural' form in speech. I hope i have made it clear to understand.

Yes, the book of Babur is felt with pride of being Turk and nostalgia for Ma wara'un-Nahr.

One thing though..Every central asian coming to India was initially called Mughal,whatever his actual race ,by locals.Later,as Babur came from old Chughtai domains,his progeny was called Chughtai by locals.Though Babur was a Berlas.Really a confusing issue.

Hey, thanks for keeping me informed with information. Anyhow, i have yet been halted in my research due to a certain curiosity. It may be insignificant, though, I'd like to know whether there is any difference(apart from obvious spelling) with the names 'Chaghtai' , 'Chughtai' & 'Chagatta'. ????

I have been told there is a prominent difference between the two former names(in blue) than the latter (in red) . Could any one shed any light on this ?


Edited by yas245 - 13-Mar-2009 at 21:15

Mughal word comes fron Mongol,a people inhabiting Kerulen river in Mongolia in 9th Century.Later these people ,after defeating Chineese ,moved west and conquered various people thus establishing the worlds largest empire.They were supported by many Turkish ethnic groups as well.Chughtai clan stems from Genghis Khan's second son Chughtai.His descendants rules some parts of central asia for some time but their power was shattered by Ameer Taimur Berlas,who claimed kinship with Genghis Khan.His descendant Babur the Tiger,whose mother was from Chughtai clan emerged from Ferghana and later conquered Afghanistan and India.Berlas were a Mongol people too though later Turkiscized by living with Turks.Ironically his line was wrongly termed  as Chughtai by historians though he never claimed it.

Originally posted by yas245 Hi, I'm looking for information on the Mughal Clan ; Chaghatai. Who are they and What are Physical characteristics??