Why not a new islam?

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   Maharbbal
The fact that they used to exist create even a bigger problem: why can't they come back?

Because unfortunately, there are societies where people think they're "customs", "culture" and tribal laws are actually "religion" and have been allowed to get away with such ideas for generations.

Go to a patriarchal male shovenist and tell him about how woman were scholors, religous leaders and teachers, to the extent they were teaching in the top schools and universities and very influential and I wouldn't be suprised if you were called a "kaffir" even if you were muslim and if he thought you were launching an attack against religion.

Woman were highly influential in the muslim world originally, Islam gave them equality and opportunities against the patriarchal narrow-minded nuckle heads of the past.

Unfortunately those people wriggled their way back and started trying to manipulate religion to support their views against woman.

What exactly has a woman driving a car or not got to do with faith? how can anyone excuse not sending their daughters to school? how can people who say they're religous say woman have no religous authority, they can't attend prayers according to some, Juma is a male-only affair and other blatent examples of oppression against woman.

The worst part is, they use "religion" as their excuse for such disgusting behaviour.

The most hypocritical part is they're actions contradic with religious teachings.

They can come back via

- Tackling "ignorance", teaching what is actually written, education is essential while ignorance is prevalent. 

- Stop sponcering "extremist groups" well it has mostly stopped in the West, however, they allowed such ideologies to prosper by financing and giving them the support they would otherwise not have been able to collect.

- Special attention needs to be given to the woman scholors, teachers, leaders of the past who were muslim. They need to be promoted and their importance needs to stop being pushed aside but made open.

Marharbbal
Why the important proportion of modern muslim in the West (and elsewhere) doesn't lobby for more liberal institutions.

Alot of people think the world "liberal" means, breaking family values and codes, sleeping around, taking drugs, becomming a binge drinker and so on, basically everything a muslim family is "supposed" to try and protect their relatives from.

However, in the Jewish community I also know that they give alot of value to keeping a strong family unit, family respect, rules and morals, keeping to tradition in the sense they learn language, religion and go to religous schools on weekends. They also arn't fond of the things I listed above as being connected to being "liberal".

A big difference is that, many Jews are highly educated, speak great English, are generally as a community prosperous and don't have extremist preachers getting alot of media highlight.

Alot of muslims have a big problem with the way people are hi-jacking there religion and do lobby and work hard to change these attitudes. However, it doesn't help when extremist leaders were let into their communities by the government and then treated as celebrities with their wacko views by the media.

There are alot of rational voices in the community but they're neglected for the minority of idiots who make better stories.

The problem is, these people are given more attention, they try to use their finance to take over mosques and influence impressionable minds with their ridiculous ideas.

Marhabbal
Muslim the West over are often discriminated against, but this simple fact can't explain the apartheid that is going on. I am shock in the UK to realise that young muslim do very good in school but do not mix much with the rest of the population (I mean Pakis I wouldn't know for the rest). Why is that. Integration requires efforts from both sides.

Well it depends where you go.

In London and big cities, schools are really mixed, you can have Ghanains, Nigerians, Somalis, Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Jamaicans, Poles etc in the same class.

Infact most of society is mixed, you have your pockets where there are more minority groups then others but on the whole you can see friends that are of mixed ethnicities together more than most Western cities.

However, in smaller towns there is more segregation, which is due to various factors. The problem is more socio-cultural than religous. For example, these kind of towns were initially "industrial", most the workers were from impovrished regions of India or Pakistan, they came as a community from the same area. Hence they're connected in some way, so they're going to stick together and this would be the same if they were in India Pakistan or England.

Also "religous schools" don't help and in my problem are a HUGE factor in segregation. If it were possible I would have them shut down all they do is isolate the community.

All ethnics, all religions should go to school together, when you mix with different people at a young age you realise they're not actually different. You don't look at somebody cos of religion or colour, it breaks barriers, kids bring their friends home from school, families meet each other. You naturally integrate.
Also all religions should be taught in school, this can also help.

It has to be tackled from childhood.