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    Posted: 16-Apr-2006 at 18:24
i disagree, i believe that pride to an extent is a good thing, however not when it is taken over board.
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Well..the first thing that comes to mind has both Iranic as well as Turkic influences..

I cannot build a Taj for you,
But in my heart, My queen,
I have as much love for you,
As Shah Jahan for his queen.

Shah Jahan was a Mughal King
He built the Taj to show his love.
I am but a humble man
Who likes to hide his love.

My love is hidden in my heart
For only you to see.
Treasures buried deep, My dear,
Of Love and Sympathy.

I grieve not for my modest lot.
Love is the treasure of life.
I am but a happy man,
And you my comely wife.

You are the queen of my heart
My kingdom more divine
Contentment, Love and Happiness,
These are treasures mine.

I will not be put to prison
For my kingdom, by my son.
I am but a happy man
For I have kingdom none.

No wars be fought amongst my sons
For I have kingdom none.
I am but a happy man
Blessed with loving sons.

Shah Jahan was a Mughal king
Who met a sorry end,
He had a heart full of love,
But a kingdom to defend.

Taj Mahal is a symbol of Love
The love of a king for his queen.
Here lovers meet by moonlit nights
Lovers- Unsung! Unseen!

Taj Mahal

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http://poetry.allinfo-about.com/poems/taj.html

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Originally posted by Iranian41ife

i disagree, i believe that pride to an extent is a good thing, however not when it is taken over board.

And its your right to have that opinion.
I'm proud too - but only for my own acheivements - my family and other close personal things.

Please enlighten me - when, on a national scale, did pride solve anything?
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Originally posted by Northman

Please enlighten me - when, on a national scale, did pride solve anything?

Man this thread or this forum isn't about solving problems.It's about learning from each other.More specifically it's about killing time.

Another thing which makes me proud as an Indian is Buffalo Milk.It is much fuller than cow-milk.Some people say it makes you dumb.I miss Buffalo Milk a lot..
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Originally posted by Iranian41ife

i disagree, i believe that pride to an extent is a good thing, however not when it is taken over board.

Sure, we all love our country, it's human nature (maybe I didn't express myself properly in my previous post) But we must always try to be objective, nobody is perfect.

 



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Originally posted by Pacifist

Originally posted by Iranian41ife

i disagree, i believe that pride to an extent is a good thing, however not when it is taken over board.

Sure, we all love our country, it's human nature (maybe I didn't express myself properly in my previous post) But we must always try to be objective, nobody is perfect.

 

exactly, i agree with you 100%.

but pride is important. when people take pride in something, they do it better and work harder to make that thing better..

 
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Just for the record and clarification.

Pride in home, husband/wife, children, work etc. is fine and good from my point of view.
That was not was I was referring to - I was talking national pride - which in its extreme is called nationalism.

I am fond of my country, and I can easily accept people saying they love their country - but pride is so much more dangerous, demonstrated so often through history (and in this thread).
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you guys heard this alot i bet but the reason i like canada because its a free country everyone likes everyone eles
love is but one of the paths we cross
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and because people went to war for canada to be free and thats why i like canada.
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I have very little pride in my country. And I doubt my opinion of my Nation will ever change.
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I have very little pride in my country. And I doubt my opinion of my Nation will ever change.[quote]

What's wrong with us exactly? What on earth could we have done that's so bad ?
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Originally posted by Pieinsky

I have very little pride in my country. And I doubt my opinion of my Nation will ever change.

Where's your Irish Pride a chara ? You seem almost ashamed to be Irish! Why ? What's not to like about our country ?
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Queen Cleopatre I responded to some of your comments on Your Nations Psyce Topic. Travel there if you want to read on what i expressed.
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Hi,

Am I pround of my country? Well if this question has any sense at all, I am
not more ashammed of mine than of anybody's else. Why?

1) French language is great I say.
2) A nation with over 1000 types of cheese cannot be 100% bad.
3) Because Paris is in France and as far as I am concerned I have not been
in any better city (also New York and Istanbul are very close).

Voila.
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2) A nation with over 1000 types of cheese cannot be 100% bad.


Well said. 


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Originally posted by Northman

Just for the record and clarification.

Pride in home, husband/wife, children, work etc. is fine and good from my point of view.
That was not was I was referring to - I was talking national pride - which in its extreme is called nationalism.

I am fond of my country, and I can easily accept people saying they love their country - but pride is so much more dangerous, demonstrated so often through history (and in this thread).



I have to agree.  I can be proud of myself and immediate family/friends but I don't see the point in nationalism at all.  It's a divisive force IMO more than anything else and growing up in 3 different countries has shown me the utter silliness of having pride in something that you yourself have no association with, other than by the accident of where you were born or what your last name is. 
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i dont see the point in loving a nation or country it will fall be cause of people and everything else
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Originally posted by QueenCleopatra

I have very little pride in my country. And I doubt my opinion of my Nation will ever change.

What's wrong with us exactly? What on earth could we have done that's so bad ?

Nothing, you all invented Guinness, you should be proud of that.
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Thats true, let us be the quenchers of the Great Globe of our Earth. Let the fountain of alcohol and eternal escapism never run dry. All Hail Ireland, Land of Beer.

 



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Serbia;

1. defended the Christian Europe against the Asian invaders.
2. land of rich history and great achivements.
3. made significant scientific contribution to our civilization.
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