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    Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 19:52
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Turks Set Cars Alight in Brussels

From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2007-10-24 23:21

Tonight (Wednesday evening) heavy rioting erupted in Turkish quarters of Brussels, the capital of Belgium. Buses and trams were attacked. Several cars were torched and shops destroyed. Police forces were unable to restore law and order in the boroughs of Sint-Joost-ten-Node and Schaarbeek where since last Sunday the animosity among Turks is running high. Turkish flags are omnipresent. In some streets the Turkish crescent and star adorns almost every house.

The Turks anger was provoked by rising tension with Kurds along the Iraqi-Turkish border and by the debate in the American Congress about the Turkish genocide of the Armenians in 1915. On Sunday night Turkish youths in Sint-Joost destroyed the pub of Peter Petrossian, an ethnic Armenian who had to flee for his life. Apparently, some Turks think that by attacking the Armenians in Brussels they can convince the world that the Turks never committed a genocide of the Armenians.

Tonight the youths attacked Kurdish shops. They also set fire to several cars.

Belgiums Muslim population consists mainly of Moroccans and Turks. In the past rioting Muslim youths were mostly Moroccans. The Turkish community is controlled by the Turkish embassy. The latter used to restrain the Turkish population so as not to upset the Belgian authorities and thwart Turkeys chances of EU admission. This policy seems to have changed recently. In Antwerp, too, Turkish youths demonstrated tonight.

The events in Brussels indicate that in admitting large numbers of immigrants Belgium has also imported the ethnic quarrels of the Middle East.

what kind of shit is this? burning cars!!!???

watched news maybe three times about this subject and they anounced NEVER there where car burnings or attacks on buses or trams...

sorry but this article is way too much exaggerated, also what has dutch stabbed kid to do with this subject?


 
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Edited by Antioxos - 26-Oct-2007 at 19:53

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     DayI, that report is very believable, I actually read reports last week of some Turkish extremists attacking Armenian businesses in Brussels.

     Why is it so surprising to you, the government in Ankara that these extremists defend only uses threats to deal with this issue, so it is not an unusual approach from their angle.
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     DayI, that report is very believable, I actually read reports last week of some Turkish extremists attacking Armenian businesses in Brussels.

     Why is it so surprising to you, the government in Ankara that these extremists defend only uses threats to deal with this issue, so it is not an unusual approach from their angle.


I know it also they attacked a shop owned by an armenian but burning cars and attacking buses or trams didnt happen, if that did happen it was big news on tv's for the whole year, that writer did exaggerate little too much the situation.


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That article is ridiculous.
 
There was an unplanned demonstration by the Turkish community protesting Pkk terrorism, as a result the crowds were dispersed by force and up to 100 youths arrested.
 
It was not a mass riot like they try to make out in the article.
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Originally posted by Antioxos

 
I don t know i just copy it  , I think you have to email to
 


I think that we should keep in mind our responsibilities before posting. We are directly responsible for what we post. We just can't copy everything.

DayI, you can also contact the mod staff If you think that there are misleading posts.


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Originally posted by The Hidden Face

Originally posted by Antioxos

 
I don t know i just copy it  , I think you have to email to
 


I think that we should keep in mind our responsibilities before posting. We are directly responsible for what we post. We just can't copy everything.

DayI, you can also contact the mod staff If you think that there are misleading posts.
 
I think , we can  evaluate if the particular information is reliable  or not but  i don't consider that  i have to self censorship because isn't my personal opinion but a published information .

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Originally posted by The Hidden Face

Originally posted by Antioxos

 
I don t know i just copy it  , I think you have to email to
 


I think that we should keep in mind our responsibilities before posting. We are directly responsible for what we post. We just can't copy everything.

DayI, you can also contact the mod staff If you think that there are misleading posts.


My quotation of Antioxos's post was only to the article, nothing to antioxos related. The information that the author did gave was utterly wrong, biased with some nationalistic background. You can see that why he adds there unusefull information at the end and that's a big problem out here because of such ridiculous generalisations happens too much.

One maroccan (he carry's dutch or belgian passport) stab's a belgian or an Dutch student and they blaim all the immigrants (or the people who allready lives here with belgian passports like me) for it or like the author did they relate it with riots in Saint Josse (they never use saint joost ten node actually), which is as we say "quelle alaqa?" Confused But happens here too much and works on my nerves.

This point is also a strong propaganda tool for the racistic party here in flanders.


anyway let's go back to the topic.


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The Brussels Journal is a far right journal which is associated to the Vlaams Blok in Belgium.  In fact the writer, Paul Belien is married to a VB MP.  This should answer some of the questions about the exaggerations and some associations made in the article.
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Originally posted by AyKurt

The Brussels Journal is a far right journal which is associated to the Vlaams Blok in Belgium.  In fact the writer, Paul Belien is married to a VB MP.  This should answer some of the questions about the exaggerations and some associations made in the article.


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I don't think Turkey's main objective is to eradicate PKK, I think Turkey wants to destabilize KRG.
 
 
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I don't think Turkey's main objective is to eradicate PKK, I think Turkey wants to destabilize KRG. 
For sure this is in their (hardliners) minds, the very existence of the KRG has been somewhat of a political pain, especially since it is quite successful.

The talks have failed now, and I think everyone is waiting see what happens next. AKAIK one of the diplomatic issues is that Iraq cannot do anything without the KRG's involvement.  Turkey refuses to deal with anyone outside of Baghdad, even when Baghdad tells them 'you have to talk to the KRG also'. This has been the case from before and I'm sure nothing changed this time around. This stance i do not agree with, it helps no one. To be fair Barzani's tough talk/reactions just made things worse, lets say he's no diplomat.



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That article is ridiculous.
 
There was an unplanned demonstration by the Turkish community protesting Pkk terrorism, as a result the crowds were dispersed by force and up to 100 youths arrested.
 
It was not a mass riot like they try to make out in the article.
 
Still it is very stupid to protest violently in Brussels against PKK terrorism.
I fail to see connection here.
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But its fine for Pkk an Internationally recognised Terrorist organisation to walk through cities in Belgium and have demonstrations, its fine for them to open propoganda agencies, send the money made through criminal activities to this terror organisation, for wanted terrorists to operate openly...
 
Now, if your even a suspected member or sympathiser with an outlawed so-called "muslim" blacklisted group you can get locked away 90 days without trial...
 
And protesting against terrorism, oh that would be fantastic, oh actually only if its against "our terrorists" because those that don't "kill" us are actually great guys ConfusedDead
 
Its total and utter hypocrisy at its worst and makes a mockery about the so-called war on terror.
 
 
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But its fine for Pkk an Internationally recognised Terrorist organisation to walk through cities in Belgium and have demonstrations, its fine for them to open propoganda agencies, send the money made through criminal activities to this terror organisation, for wanted terrorists to operate openly...
 
Now, if your even a suspected member or sympathiser with an outlawed so-called "muslim" blacklisted group you can get locked away 90 days without trial...
 
And protesting against terrorism, oh that would be fantastic, oh actually only if its against "our terrorists" because those that don't "kill" us are actually great guys ConfusedDead
 
Its total and utter hypocrisy at its worst and makes a mockery about the so-called war on terror.
 
I understand Turkish unger but still burning cars in Brussels and fighting Belgian police won't help. That will only cause increase of hate in Belgium against Turkish.
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Originally posted by Bulldog

But its fine for Pkk an Internationally recognised Terrorist organisation to walk through cities in Belgium and have demonstrations, its fine for them to open propoganda agencies, send the money made through criminal activities to this terror organisation, for wanted terrorists to operate openly...
 
Now, if your even a suspected member or sympathiser with an outlawed so-called "muslim" blacklisted group you can get locked away 90 days without trial...
 
And protesting against terrorism, oh that would be fantastic, oh actually only if its against "our terrorists" because those that don't "kill" us are actually great guys ConfusedDead
 
Its total and utter hypocrisy at its worst and makes a mockery about the so-called war on terror.
I understand Turkish unger but still burning cars in Brussels and fighting Belgian police won't help. That will only cause increase of hate in Belgium against Turkish.


 I do live in belgium, if you read my reply to antioxos you will see where I was talking about. Burning cars did never happen, its a big lie.
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I see no possible inconvenience within the international law which allows Turkey to make an operation into Northern Iraq within the limits of the aim, the fight against terrorism. If the neighboring state, or their big boss are not willing to help and continue with detaining tactics, then there is no point for seeking "diplomatic" approach to fight terrorism.
 
However, Turkish governments, have done, irrevocably huge mistakes in the past which are among the causes of the current scene.
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