History repeats in Gaza

Originally posted by Challenger2 Well you've answered a question, but not the one I asked. I put forward a hypothetical case. Put simply, what would Iranians do if a foreign people with, at best, a tenuous connection to Iran came and drove the Iranians out of their homes and off their lands where they and their families had lived for centuries, called their country "Babylonia"  and told them that they could never return? Presumably,  from your comments, 60 years later the Iranians woul quietly accept that those now born in "Babylonia", the "Babylonians", had a better claim to the land than the disposessed Iranians and they'd quiently just abandon their culture and heritage and assimilate with their surrounding neighbours to become Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Turkmenis, etc. In the real world, the Zionists legally bought about 5% of the land of Palestine and ethically cleansed  or exterminated the people living there to artificially create a Zionist "majority" in their new state, THAT is the crime.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Challenger2 Well you've answered a question, but not the one I asked. I put forward a hypothetical case. Put simply, what would Iranians do if a foreign people with, at best, a tenuous connection to Iran came and drove the Iranians out of their homes and off their lands where they and their families had lived for centuries, called their country "Babylonia"  and told them that they could never return? Presumably,  from your comments, 60 years later the Iranians woul quietly accept that those now born in "Babylonia", the "Babylonians", had a better claim to the land than the disposessed Iranians and they'd quiently just abandon their culture and heritage and assimilate with their surrounding neighbours to become Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Turkmenis, etc. In the real world, the Zionists legally bought about 5% of the land of Palestine and ethically cleansed  or exterminated the people living there to artificially create a Zionist "majority" in their new state, THAT is the crime.    This thing happened 1,400 years ago when Arabs ceptured Iran and imposed their Islamic culture on Persians, those Persians who wanted to preserve their own Zoroastrian culture had to leave Iran and migrate to India, it can be said the real Iranians are in fact these people who are known as "Parsi".   You should define this is good or bad: Another people expel me from the land where not only me but my parents and grandparents were born? It will just show your bigotry, if you say this is good for this people but bad for another people. You say it was bad about Palestians but it is already good about Israelis!!

Sorry, I've read this several times but I'm still unclear as to what you are trying to say here. Are you accusing me of bigotry? If so, can you provide me an example of where you think I've been bigoted?

AFIK the only people to impose an Islamic religion on the Persians were Persians themselves, The safavids. The Arabs were far more relaxed about it. It took 300 years or so for them to convert, and only the fanatic Zoroastrians chose to leave. There were many Zoroastrians in Muslim Iran until the 19th-20th centuries, so Islam was hardly imposed on the Persians. 

Originally posted by Ince Posted a reply in a propriate thread http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28504&PID=686151#686151

 

Originally posted by Azita Originally posted by Nick1986 the IRA were given rocket launchers and mortars by Gadaffi Of course that is true Nick. Can i also say that the IRA were given many more weapons and funds by Americans, the parody between Israel and PIRA does seem rather similar.

Originally posted by Azita Originally posted by Nick1986 the IRA were given rocket launchers and mortars by Gadaffi Of course that is true Nick. Can i also say that the IRA were given many more weapons and funds by Americans, the parody between Israel and PIRA does seem rather similar.

Last time i went to the Imperial War Museum they had a captured IRA mortar made from a drainpipe. The bombs were tin cans filled with gunpowder from fireworks

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Challenger2 Sorry, I've read this several times but I'm still unclear as to what you are trying to say here. Are you accusing me of bigotry? If so, can you provide me an example of where you think I've been bigoted? AFIK the only people to impose an Islamic religion on the Persians were Persians themselves, The safavids. The Arabs were far more relaxed about it. It took 300 years or so for them to convert, and only the fanatic Zoroastrians chose to leave. There were many Zoroastrians in Muslim Iran until the 19th-20th centuries, so Islam was hardly imposed on the Persians.    Do other people have right to expel me from my native land where my parents and grandparents were also born? You say it was wrong about Palestinians but you support this action against Israelis, so you are bigoted.

Point out to me please, where exactly in my posts I have advocated this.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Challenger2 Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri   Do other people have right to expel me from my native land where my parents and grandparents were also born? You say it was wrong about Palestinians but you support this action against Israelis, so you are bigoted. Point out to me please, where exactly in my posts I have advocated this.   I hope I was wrong, but I read this thing from your first post about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinains:   Originally posted by Challenger2 I have no sympathy with the Israelis, after all as they proudly boast to anyone who will listen, they are the only "democracy" in the middle east. They voted for those in power.   I think it shows you support this action against Israelis, doesn't it?

Edited by BoPoMoFo - 03-Dec-2012 at 00:46

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Challenger2 Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri   Do other people have right to expel me from my native land where my parents and grandparents were also born? You say it was wrong about Palestinians but you support this action against Israelis, so you are bigoted. Point out to me please, where exactly in my posts I have advocated this.   I hope I was wrong, but I read this thing from your first post about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinains:   Originally posted by Challenger2 I have no sympathy with the Israelis, after all as they proudly boast to anyone who will listen, they are the only "democracy" in the middle east. They voted for those in power.   I think it shows you support this action against Israelis, doesn't it?

Does it? I think you've made a wild assumption based on a response to someone else's post  based on no evidence whatsoever; there's a word for that kind of behaviour.

I stand by what I wrote, I have no sympathy for either the people or the Governments they elect.

The overwhelming majority of people who live in Zionist Israel by choice, do so because of their belief in the common goal of a Jews only state in its "ancient homeland" and so are, at the very least active or passive supporters of Zionism, if not outright Zionists themselves. Consequently, if Zionist Israel is really a democracy as it purports to be, then these people bear equal responsibility for the actions of their Government, do they not?

Like the peoples of all other countries, Israelis have right to decide about their own country, the same thing can be said about Palestine, if this country is formed. The problem is that Israelis have been surrounded by enemies who share the common goal of the destruction of Israel, they have to fight against these enemies and defend their country.

Yes I am antagonistic against those who become happy when a terrorist attacks an Israeli school bus and kills some schoolchildren, these defenders of terrorism deserved what happen against them. There is a big deffernce between someone who wants to kill an enemy but mistakenly kills a child and someone who wants to a kill a child for tormenting the enemy.