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xi_tujue
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Topic: Jihad against the turks Posted: 25-May-2006 at 11:23 |
What do you think about this link.
I was well insulted, about the incorrectnes
This site is one of the most racist and historaly incorrect ever
And it's not only about the turks what pisses me off. They "attack" everyone and make the muslims look like jew& christian hating Jihad making I don't know there are no words for this (no offence only a extreme nationalist arab would agree with this no offence i'm a muslim to but not that one)
Edited by xi_tujue - 25-May-2006 at 11:27
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Feramez
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 20:02 |
Oh God, I wonder how many idiots out there will believe this web site too?
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mamikon
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 20:35 |
That website is ridiculous...
It marks every single thing done by muslims against anyone else as Jihad
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 05:29 |
That's what i wanted to point out.
thats why I think that the web is a dangerous thing.
Edited by xi_tujue - 26-May-2006 at 05:30
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Belisarius
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 11:29 |
I guess it all depends on the individual to filter out what's real and what's complete bs.
From what I understand, a jihad can only be called by an Imam. Am I mistaken?
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 12:57 |
No i don't think so An Imam is just a priest.
by the caliph or something like that but they don't exist anymore.
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malizai_
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 07:28 |
A jihad can be called by anyone, but people only follow those who have authority or influence.
No offence, but u need to improve the quality of websites u quote. Friendly advice, if u come across trash, dont post from it.
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 09:05 |
I don't know if you said that to me but I was pointing out that this site was trash. Didn't you read the original post
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malizai_
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 10:11 |
Originally posted by xi_tujue
I don't know if you said that to me but I was pointing out that this site was trash. Didn't you read the original post |
I did read the original and that is why i said dont post from trash. I mean what possible benefit could we derive from discussing rubbish. Consider the possibility of everyone citing a rubbish site and seeking a review. BTW, welcome to AE.
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mamikon
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 11:59 |
I mean what possible benefit could we derive from discussing rubbish
pity for Turks?
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 12:21 |
ahah don't get it started it isn't just about the turks it's about all what's on that page
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malizai_
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 14:50 |
Originally posted by mamikon
I mean what possible benefit could we derive from discussing rubbish
pity for Turks?
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Mamikon, my dear fellow. last comment a bit personal, a bit unnecessary.
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 14:56 |
do you see any other "benefit" for posting the site here? as you have said, what would happen if everyone brought trash here to review?
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Turkoglu
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 15:25 |
well we are waiting here, they can come any time.
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Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 06:17 |
Originally posted by Feramez
Oh God, I wonder how many idiots out there will believe this web site too? |
Far too many.
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Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 18:18 |
If only that site was a book, then I could burn it for being the nonsense it is. When will people learn?
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Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 21:20 |
Alright, I will be in the minority here, but I have to say this: the interpretation of the historial events and the general bias of the site is rabidly anti-muslim. However, the majority of the historical events which are detailed in the article are factually true, it is only the bias and the language that make this site a poor historical description. The Arabs did consider their early wars of conquest, at least until the Ummayads, as jihads meant to spread Islam to the unbelievers, whether they were zoroastrians like the Persians, christan like the Byzantines or pagan like the Turks or the Sindhis. The Turks did take a long time to be islamized and certainly religion played an important role in their wars with muslim rulers before their conversion.
Yes I do disagree with the anti-islamic bias of the site. But we should all remember that history as we know it always contains an element of bias. History as it is taught to fundamentalist muslims is likely to be just as biased and inaccurate as this site.
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 14:33 |
what I wanted to pointout is that this site quotes that the turks are islamised by force due to the arab conquest. and not that they gruadually adopted Islam
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Posted: 20-Jun-2006 at 08:46 |
The wars of conquest were fought to increase the polity of Islam and spread the message of Islam to get an audience for prospective converts. But the conversion itself was not by force.
Hence the jizya, i.e keep your religion and just pay the tax. If no tax then fight, not convert. The carrot; dont fight and dont pay tax, just become muslim.
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Posted: 20-Jun-2006 at 09:05 |
well wrong infact it is, dont pay and fight for state, or pay and dont fight.
not one of best carrot I saw.
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