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Topic: The Greatest Dutchman Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 17:33 |
The concept showed to be a great succes in Britain and Germany, so in
Holland tv-makers decided to elect a greatest countryman too. Today 10
people have been nominated. Now people will be able to vote. After a
few weeks the result will be known.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 17:41 |
I had no idea Anne Frank was Dutch... "holocaust victim" sounds rather weird, author would fit better imo.
btw, in Germany it wasn't much of a success, at first Austrians complained that Mozart was put in the list and complained "Germans stole Austrian hero" or something in their newspapers, this showed that it was already difficult to descide who is German at all, especially for guys that lived prior to 1871. other even proposed to inculde Hitler in the list. at the end the list comprised to 50% of livign Germans, mostly Celebs so it was completely nonsense after all.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 18:12 |
Oh yea 100% for the man with the "little beasties".
Anne Frank a great dutchman (er...woman). WTF!??! she was just a girl who kept a diary during a terrible time. It could've been anyone, it's just her story was the one that was told. I don't think that makes her great. Although, because she became famous I can tell people I'm related to someone who is famous.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 18:17 |
The strange thing is, Anne Frank wasn't even Dutch. She was German. She
IIRC she fled for the nazis before WW2 started. Her diary is in Dutch
however. Last week some people tried to give her the Dutch nationality
poshumously, but that attempt failed. Because if Anne Frank would be
given the Duth nationality, all Jews who lived in Holland during WW2
should be given it
Originally posted by Temujin
I had no idea Anne Frank was Dutch... "holocaust victim" sounds rather weird, author would fit better imo.
btw, in Germany it wasn't much of a success, at first Austrians
complained that Mozart was put in the list and complained "Germans
stole Austrian hero" or something in their newspapers, this showed that
it was already difficult to descide who is German at all, especially
for guys that lived prior to 1871. other even proposed to inculde
Hitler in the list. at the end the list comprised to 50% of livign
Germans, mostly Celebs so it was completely nonsense after all. |
The main problem is, noone knows what 'greatest' means. Most important
or best? If that question isn't solved you get winners like Adenauer in
Germany. With all respects to Adenauer, but he is not the greatest,
best or most important German in History.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 21:59 |
Originally posted by JanusRook
Oh yea 100% for the man with the "little beasties".
Anne Frank a great dutchman (er...woman). WTF!??! she was just a girl who kept a diary during a terrible time. It could've been anyone, it's just her story was the one that was told. I don't think that makes her great. Although, because she became famous I can tell people I'm related to someone who is famous.
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I totally agree. I don't hear anyone crying for Holocaust victim .
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Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 11:24 |
Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli
The main problem is, noone knows what 'greatest' means. Most important or best? If that question isn't solved you get winners like Adenauer in Germany. With all respects to Adenauer, but he is not the greatest, best or most important German in History.
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yeah, he is even utter crap, I can't see why he's so poular amongst the older generation..I mean he did bribe people to vote for his hometown Bonn to become new captial instead of Frankfurt...
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Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 12:27 |
From the list, Van Gogh, but its a poor selection IMHO.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 12:56 |
Van Gogh easily for me
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Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 14:18 |
From the list Erasmus.
From the Dutchmen who are not on the list Spinoza (spanish Jew from Amsterdam) and Grotius (Huigh de Groot).
I think they are greater than any painters or rulers.
But from painters i would pick Hieronymus Bosch, as my favourite.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 22:54 |
Wheres Dennis Bergkamp??? awesome soccer player
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 00:10 |
*slaps forehead*
Crap, I totally didn't read his name in the huge list of dutchmen.
I think if I'd have known better I would've chosen him <see my avatar>.
Oh well, I think Leeuwenhoek is still more important in the long run, with all of the scientific advances made by his invention.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 01:39 |
Originally posted by JanusRook
*slaps forehead*
Crap, I totally didn't read his name in the huge list of dutchmen.
I think if I'd have known better I would've chosen him <see my avatar>. |
After a few day's you'll be able to vote again anyway.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 08:40 |
After a few day's you'll be able to vote again anyway.
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I'm no old lady from florida, I actually stick with who I vote for.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 09:09 |
Don't worry Janus, I voted for Erasmus and now it's a tie.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 09:52 |
I would bet that you'd vote Erasmus ;-). I had a hunch!
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 20:54 |
Don't worry Janus, I voted for Erasmus and now it's a tie.
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Excellent, just so long as that van Gogh doesn't win I'll be happy.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 21:11 |
Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek for me. Science beats art, hands
down. Although he is not as well known, many discoveries stemmed
from his finding the 'mini-animals' in water.
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Posted: 14-Oct-2004 at 09:10 |
Erasmus!
I looked at the top 200-11 on the internet, it was so horrible I could cry. Vondel, Multatuli, Reve, Hermans, Mulisch, all our great writers, ended below Johan Cruijff
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Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 11:27 |
In the intermediate result Pim Fortuyn is on 1, Drees on 2 and Willem van Oranje on 3.
Conclusion: For Dutchmen history started 3 years ago
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Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 12:00 |
Pim is one?!
LOL
Poor Dutchies
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