The ’Greatest Dutchman’
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Topic: The ’Greatest Dutchman’
Posted By: Guests
Subject: The ’Greatest Dutchman’
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 17:33
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The concept showed to be a great succes in Britain and Germany, so in
Holland tv-makers decided to elect a greatest countryman too. Today 10
people have been nominated. Now people will be able to vote. After a
few weeks the result will be known. |
Replies:
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 17:41
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I had no idea Anne Frank was Dutch... "holocaust victim" sounds rather weird, author would fit better imo. btw, in Germany it wasn't much of a success, at first Austrians complained that Mozart was put in the list and complained "Germans stole Austrian hero" or something in their newspapers, this showed that it was already difficult to descide who is German at all, especially for guys that lived prior to 1871. other even proposed to inculde Hitler in the list. at the end the list comprised to 50% of livign Germans, mostly Celebs so it was completely nonsense after all. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 18:12
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Oh yea 100% for the man with the "little beasties". Anne Frank a great dutchman (er...woman). WTF!??! she was just a girl who kept a diary during a terrible time. It could've been anyone, it's just her story was the one that was told. I don't think that makes her great. Although, because she became famous I can tell people I'm related to someone who is famous. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 18:17
The strange thing is, Anne Frank wasn't even Dutch. She was German. She
IIRC she fled for the nazis before WW2 started. Her diary is in Dutch
however. Last week some people tried to give her the Dutch nationality
poshumously, but that attempt failed. Because if Anne Frank would be
given the Duth nationality, all Jews who lived in Holland during WW2
should be given it
The main problem is, noone knows what 'greatest' means. Most important or best? If that question isn't solved you get winners like Adenauer in Germany. With all respects to Adenauer, but he is not the greatest, best or most important German in History. ------------- |
Posted By: Abyssmal Fiend
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 21:59
I totally agree. I don't hear anyone crying for Holocaust victim ------------- 
Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit! |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 11:24
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yeah, he is even utter crap, I can't see why he's so poular amongst the older generation..I mean he did bribe people to vote for his hometown Bonn to become new captial instead of Frankfurt... ------------- |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 12:27
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From the list, Van Gogh, but its a poor selection IMHO.
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 12:56
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Van Gogh easily for me ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 14:18
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From the list Erasmus. From the Dutchmen who are not on the list Spinoza (spanish Jew from Amsterdam) and Grotius (Huigh de Groot). I think they are greater than any painters or rulers. But from painters i would pick Hieronymus Bosch, as my favourite. |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 22:54
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Wheres Dennis Bergkamp??? awesome soccer player ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 00:10
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*slaps forehead* Crap, I totally didn't read his name in the huge list of dutchmen. I think if I'd have known better I would've chosen him <see my avatar>. Oh well, I think Leeuwenhoek is still more important in the long run, with all of the scientific advances made by his invention. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 01:39
After a few day's you'll be able to vote again anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 08:40
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I'm no old lady from florida, I actually stick with who I vote for. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Colchis
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 09:09
Don't worry Janus, I voted for Erasmus and now it's a tie. 
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Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 09:52
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I would bet that you'd vote Erasmus ;-). I had a hunch! ------------- The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 20:54
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Excellent, just so long as that van Gogh doesn't win I'll be happy. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Kubrat
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 21:11
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Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek for me. Science beats art, hands
down. Although he is not as well known, many discoveries stemmed
from his finding the 'mini-animals' in water.
------------- Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare |
Posted By: Master of Puppets
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2004 at 09:10
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Erasmus! I looked at the top 200-11 on the internet, it was so horrible I could cry. Vondel, Multatuli, Reve, Hermans, Mulisch, all our great writers, ended below Johan Cruijff ------------- Wherever I turn, there is Death. The Epic of Gilgamesh; Tablet XI, line 245 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 11:27
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In the intermediate result Pim Fortuyn is on 1, Drees on 2 and Willem van Oranje on 3. Conclusion: For Dutchmen history started 3 years ago ------------- |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 12:00
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Pim is one?! LOL Poor Dutchies ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: SJI Lasallian
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 04:12
Why doesn't anyone vote for Johan Cruijff ??... ------------- "I adore in all things the will of God in my regard" -- Saint John Baptist De la Salle (final words) |
Posted By: Master of Puppets
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2004 at 03:03
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What's even stranger is that nobody has voted for Willem van Oranje yet. He is considered pater patriae in the Netherlands I'm glad nobody voted Pim or Anne or Johan so far. People here seem to be smarter than the average Dutchman. ------------- Wherever I turn, there is Death. The Epic of Gilgamesh; Tablet XI, line 245 |
Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2004 at 14:10
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I would have to say Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek. Without his invention, science, medicine, and the world's standard of living would be much less than what it is today. ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 16:30
Pim has won  I'll join the group of AE-flag emigrants. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Nov-2004 at 11:10
 Miscalculation!The telephone votes took some time to be registered, and now it appears Willem van Oranje has got more votes than Pim. But the KRO (the broadcasting organization who broadcasted it) decided not to change the final result.   
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 16-Nov-2004 at 21:45
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But Erasmus won here, which is sweet. Go my Avatar! ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Nov-2004 at 14:04
My vote goes to Van Leeuwenhoek (I am Dutch so i can know  ). He was the one who invented the microscope and discovered the bacteria. He also discovered sperm cells . I think that Dutch people are quite stupid because they voted on Pim Fortuijn (he got less votes then Willem van Oranje but he still is second). He is of no importance to our history and caused nothing but hatred and murder (without him, Theo van Gogh would probably not have been murdered). I also think taht Rembrandt is very important, and Michiel de Ruyter too (he made some cool provocative actions in the Thames near London, by sailing through chains over the river). Anne Frank and Johan Cruijff should be removed from the list.
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 06:03
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where is VAN BASTEN?he impressed people more than Johan,i believe.. Among these,i would vote Erasmus...but it would be good to see if ''spinoza'' were on the list as well.
I cant believe either,pal. ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Romano Nero
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2004 at 02:10
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Hmm.... who's that fellow who invented the Amsterdam coffee shops? He'd get my vote every day of the week (and twice on Sundays)
P.S. I voted for Van Ghogh |
Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2004 at 09:49
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I still dont know how could you not mention Spinoza and Grotius
on your list. ------------- "I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2004 at 12:19
because they weren't in the official 10 final candidates ------------- |
Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2004 at 18:31
Ahh yes ------------- "I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche |