Turks And Mongols

Turkey Turks aren't arabic,

My theory can be easily validated by DNA testing ancient Tujue, Modern day Turkish people from Turkey and modern day Greeks, modern day Mongolians and see who is genetically closer to who.

Edited by MING-LOYALIST - 07-Jul-2006 at 21:11

So much racist discussion are involved in this forum...

so disappointed to hear these things...

certain facts chengiz hans empire was a steppe confederation rulled by mongols he started his empire with uniting mongolian tribes the firs non mongolian tribe (also the largest ) were tatars when he took tatars into the confederation the name tatar started to use to refer all mongol army then we all mixed about that persian samanid were the last gratest pure persian empire even thought some tries to make karahanids(they were mainly Uygur ) Ghaznavids (mainly Oguz Kipchak) or even Kharzemsahs(mainly Oguz ) it is not true but one thing is true their state structures based on persian state models becouse before those states Turks mainly occupied steppes and they rulled the nomadic people but those states were ruling big cities they needed a guidence they choose mostly persian politicians(viziers..)as advisors but it does not make those states persian states about chosing persian names Khazar emperors had jewish names along with their Turkish Names so if you only know the kagans persian names you might think they were persians i allready had this discussin with my persian friends we all had to admit one thing persian government and turkish army structure makes the best combination for a state for me that is matter i respect nizammulmulk and Alp aslan in same sense without each other they couldt be succesfull as they were accept the facts azeris are turkish only thing makes them close to persian is their relliogous belief  yes they rulled iran almost almost 600 years along with avsharids and kachars they never put their nationality (eventhough they were proud) before their religion (eg Shah Ismail against Selim I) (Ps shah Ismail wrote his poems in Turkish Selim I wrote in Persian isnt it a irony

Not at all. How come the people who are racially diverse themselves have the idea of racism?

Yes, Turks and Mongols are closely related now, as many Mongols were assimiliated by Turks and vice versa.

Edited by barbar - 29-May-2006 at 23:19

Oh Tekir, Central Asians do differ among themselves when talking about appearance. A foreigner can say 'these are all alike'; but this does not mean you can classify (original) Turkmen looks in a class with Turks of Turkey of Azerbaican. Mixed people are found everywhere; but we distinguish who is pure and who is mixed.

Mate, our mosques are now the immitation of HAgia Sophia. Would you claim Hagia Sophia was made by Turks?

Turko-Mongols embraced the Iranic culture when they moved westward into Scythia, then Soghdia, then core Iran.

Why people keep repeating this? Scythians are Iranic, NOT TURKIC!!!! It is a valid fact (check Heredotus).

Originally posted by oghuzkb links    following two photos come from: Margaret Oliphant ,The Atlas of The Ancient World,Simon & Schuster publication,1992 An ancient Scynthian(Sak) tomb have been found Altay reagion(belongs fifth century B.C.,look,the clothes and other features ,ornaments are quite similar with nowadays Turkic nomads!! There are lot of Sak stone man or wumen sculeptures in my home town,which belongs around 4th century B.C.,i have some photos of them,i wil post later.

Edited by Tekir

 

Please do so, I'm really interested, thanks.

BTW, Welcome to the forum!