If, indeed there was a creation?
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Topic: If, indeed there was a creation?
Posted By: opuslola
Subject: If, indeed there was a creation?
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2013 at 00:27
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If, indeed there exists a creation God, that is "I am", or I created in my own "image", a Man or Woman, then God rested. Then just what did this creation or he/she look like? Just what skin color is the "Creator?"
Go! at once, guys and gals, bounce this one around? Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
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Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2013 at 08:40
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If a god created us in his own image, then this would mean, that these god would look like us. hard to believe. If a god who created a universe would create humans in his own image, we would hardly look like we look.I am an atheist, widely. Maybe one could call me pantheist, cos this would be in my eyes the only logical idea of a god. But then such a god would be everything, would be power and energy, all materia. Such god would have no skin or hair or eye colour, would have no gender. Such god would perhaps then as well feel no love, no hate, no happiness, no sorrow, but would be as well, love and hate, happiness and sorrow. Such god would not be a creator, but would be evolution. Such god would be first of all just being. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2013 at 10:50
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He or she must have had a very sick sense of humor. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2013 at 15:02
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I don't believe in God but to fairly answer your question, one must read the text within its context, both religious and cultural. It is my belief that the text you are referring to is meant to be understood metaphorically. Man is created in the image of God, therefore shares in God's image in the form of attributes. God is ultimately wise, loving, just, intelligent, creative, powerful...etc. Similarly, man also has those attributes "in the image of God" but to a much lesser extent. I have never heard any Jewish or Christian scholar posit the idea that man was literally created in the physical image of God. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 17-Dec-2013 at 15:58
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How about; GOD, the Most High Spirit, with the ultimate EGO, who can manifest a form/body if necessary ?
Ron  ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 19-Dec-2013 at 11:37
Well that's exactly my point. Apparitions and manifestations are thought of in Christianity and Judaism as being merely an optical tool which allows for an individual to make contact with God. This wouldn't make God physical as far as I understand... ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 01:55
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 01:59
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 02:01
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 02:13
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According religion before Christ it has to be 40 days after Eastern.Eternal heaven came to God&Goddess chests as words say it.But you have to choose not to believe in this revisionism.
We call this day Spaso(v)Den today,Toyo!
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 04:13
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medenaywe: According religion before Christ it has to be 40 days after Eastern.
AY??? That can't be right.
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 04:14
| Why,First is the God than Creation! |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 04:20
| Creation did not create God.God is axiom!They did not ask about it.God started the creation and creates all around them including them,divine genuine-original. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 06:13
Sorry about that chief! ------------- |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 07:35
| First was God than creation comes!Sorry about your logic Toyo! |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 07:43
| God=timeless creation&creativity! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 11:42
I'm agnostic, so I do not believe in invisible deities and things like Creationism. The world is what it is, period. And we are what we are, nothing special, just a self-destructive, arrogant and vain species passing through, soon to be gone and long forgotten. Which "god" are you talking about? The Old Testament god was a genocidal mass murderer, but he was the original Christian "god". The New Testament god was a politically correct re-written image created so that he would sell better. Man has never been "created in the image of "God". We are too imperfect mentally and physically to be any such thing. It's another gimmick of religion used because humans cannot relate to "gods", so we were given the concept that we are "his children, created in his image". Religion is about controlling large groups of people, not about worshipping invisible super beings. That's why the concepts of Heaven and Hell were invented - it's the age old carrot-and-the-stick routine. Unfortunately, the Christian god is the newest kid on the cosmic block and cannot lay claim to anything. Everything, including creation, was done earlier by a pantheon of gods and goddesses from every other culture that ever existed, all of whom undoubtedly "created Man in their image", too. After all, if you believe in one invisible deity, you have to believe in all of them. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 13:33
my full support. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 17:51
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Empress Helena knew exactly what she was doing. She could be seen as the first spin doctor, As most of the "repackaging", was done under her guidance.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 19:38
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 12:44
What!! No Aliens?  ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 14:56
God was it!
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 19:42
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Can a "Supreme deity" create its self?
Is this a conundrum? And, indeed a lot of our "experts" focus upon that miraculous event called by someone as "the Big Bang!", theory! Please focus on the word "theory!" Mathematics is not entirely "Science" since it involves things that are not really understood nor proven. Even if proven, then one has to formulate the status of the universe before it!!!!!!!!! Fun huh? Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 01:27
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Why do not ask nuclear physicists from LHC what was before theBig Bang?That's the point of the story Ron!We put&call God in places&time that are still unknown for us!
NOTE:LHC=Large Hadron Colider
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 01:31
| We spoke about it with Alani in "Philosophy cease to exists" topic! |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 06:45
| I'm not getting involved in anymore threads/topics/arguments, just wanted to say medenaywe's posts were profound (and unlike the atheist west's). |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 20:26
Hold on there!
You're not saying that western cultures are all or predominantly atheist are you?
This discussion questions the age old Creationist Theory, and some of its ramifications. I'm afraid that I have great difficulty deciphering medenaywes posts and so I won't comment on them.
Again, you've not contributed to this discussion, so why the sulky "I'm not getting involved in any more threads/topics/arguments".
I get the impression that English is not your first language, if I'm correct this may explain your fractured sentence structure in other posts. And this is not meant to be rude or an attack on you, merely an observation.
Are you really Australian?
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 20:43
medenaywe: What I meant was, I don't understand what you mean by the following:-
I presume you meant "Easter", the question to revisionist Ron was when was the date of the Creation.
You answered "According religion before Christ it has to be 40 days after Eastern."
Thus, the date of The Creation could not have been 40 days after Easter!
You added,"Eternal heaven came to God&Goddess chests as words say it. But you have to choose not to believe in this revisionism."
I don't know what you mean by this!
Also "We call this day Spaso(v)Den today,Toyo"
What day, the Creation or Easter?
I understand that English is not your first language, but, as I said, if you're using an Electronic Translator, it doesn't translate accurately, and that could by why your posts are being understood. This is not meant to be rude to you, just an observation.
Perhaps it's time this thread was put to bed!
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 21:06
You are kidding right, toyomotor, not heard of ascension then?
 ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 23:29
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TADR:
If I was rude, I would say,"You dumb s..t", but I'm not, so I won't.
The Official Roman Catholic version of the Apostles Creed:-
So where do you confused guys arrive at 40 days? Are you talking about the Temptation of Christ:-"The temptation of Christ is detailed in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_gospels - Gospels of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew - Matthew , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark - Mark , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke - Luke . According to these texts, after being http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Jesus - baptized , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus - Jesus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting - fasted for forty days and nights in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaean_Desert - Judaean Desert ."
You guys are so far off track you'll wear out two pairs of boots getting back.
Now dispute that!!!  ------------- |
Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2014 at 23:38
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Ron: Can you believe this ...t?
There are two people on this thread who are trying to out revise you, and they're not even Fomenko Dancers!!
"Is this a conundrum? "...I used to wear them before I was married, but since. ------------- |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 00:17
First of all, toyomotor, was it not your ignorance of what my colleague medenaywe had to say that I was so kindly addressing for you, nothing more nothing less, hardly revision. Secondly, it is probably a good thing that you're not rude enough to suggest that I might be a dumb s..t, especially seeing you missed the significance of the forty days being the preparation time leading up to something greater.
--------------------------------------------------------- Edit: After reading Med's post following this I realize that I had forgotten to say as they have that the celebration of ascension was forty day after due to the belief of that preparation time I talked about. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 02:38
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Toyo,Jesus resurrection time was conciliated with old religion date of creation!Eastern is 40 days before it.Please do not push your big fitting&armature in front of us insulting us here.Express your
opinion without offpressing of others!Period.(I remind you i glow in green!)
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 10:22
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As a naturalist and practitioner of observational science, I don't have a belief in an omnipotent ethereal being. My belief system is probably closer to that of my Pagan ancestors, on both sides of "the pond", than any of the Abrahamic constructions.
I was raised in a home that was not unusual for the time immediately following WWII. My fathers Christian Catholic indoctrination had, in his own words, "been shot away" by what he had seen and experienced.
Science and independent thought ruled our home. Religion was, and is, viewed as a political construct of man.
If in fact there is a sentient creative force responsible for the existence of the universe, it's far removed from us and certainly not concerned with, or even aware of, our individual lives.
That being said, I do not question or interfere with anyone's beliefs, if it works for you, great. However, this thread is a good example of the Hoopla that can arise from the differences in religious thought. And the reason I seldom allow myself to become involved.
I think it would be productive if everyone here stepped back and took a couple of deep breaths.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 11:44
Sorry for off topic but have to answer untrue/unfair Tm comments about me. look Toyomotor please just leave off me/my back alright. I was not sulky, it is because i don't have the situation & condition, and i have better things i need to be doing, and because i am tired (not sulky) of clashing with you and some others on all the various forums/lists: It is pointless waste of what little "life" i have. I couldn't even post that short without you making an essay out of it (no offense to you). Saying "again not contributed" as if i didn't contribute some time/s before elsewhere (and as if i am wrong to post what i did here because "not a contribution". I thought since people in life complain that people are always negative (and also since people don't know what we think if we don't say) i thought i would just post the compliment (that i thought) to medenaywe), unless by "again" you meant as in you were saying it again in the same post. No one is perfect okay, i don't have great english but i have other good qualities; you aren't perfect either. Ironically this thread is about God/creation, and without God/creation we have divisions/war/dualism etc (racism, sexism, languages confusion, my fractured sentences, etc) like Tower of Babel. People should just focus on discussing the actual details/evidences rather than the personal/attack -like/-angle "observations" etc. If you don't understand something we write then just ask about that like you did medenaywe, rather than diagnosing/labeling us as bad. Please be more careful about calling people things like confused, off track, etc. Its great to be enthusiastic/young but try to keep it to details/points not persons. Being rude includes saying semi/un/true things on a Public forum about me (whose real name is in my profile) that i don't like being said. Leave-off the psychology, and "English structure" accusations. I don't see people complaining about Yoda anyway. People seem to understand me half the time when it suits them then oddly claim they can't the rest of the time. I think i already said that i am in NZ but prefer to say Australia for reasons (but i really British in heart/ancestry/shfiting-wish though). I also think i already said that I have apsergers & ocd in explanation of my poor English (plus my education was messed up due to foster placements etc, and i also still have a hell situation and hardly any social life so my language is not being sharpened by daily contact with other people). Yes the mainstream modern western world is predominantly atheist/evolutionist as far as I see. Now i have wasted/lost another whole night replying (and will loose more if i have to reply to certain feared replies. That is why i said i didn't want to comment and get involved in this or any more posts.) Since I have got involved against my wishes i'll post my unposted comments: There is plenty of evidence of God and creation (and also of "aliens"/angels/"gods"/"amphibians" too), and of a devil, and that we are all fallen beings. They do say (as BaalMelqart said) that in image of God means attributes/character. God created both male & female in his image. Often the holy spirit is seen as having feminine-like attributes? All races came from one. All "gods/goddesses" came from one. God is perfect/best, all good things: make a list of all (truly) good things: love, life, truth, hope help health wisdom science justice free victory virtue fun astronomy, gsoh, peace, family, art, beauty, man, woman, happy, "evolution", etc. Without God is all bad things: massmurder/genocide, racism, sexism, hate, dualism, sin, vain, arrogant, anger, sad, sick, pc, religionism, evil vices reject war destroy death lust unclean devolution dysgenics, etc. (though it is not meant as duaistic.) If we have emotions (love, anger, etc) so does God. Sometimes when it has rained it has been like God crying with me, and when it has thundered like God is angry with (like) me. Man tries to create gods in our image. Image of God is Jesus? For some of us God is our only hope, as as far as my experience goes there is no hope in the world/humanity/science/mammon/self. "and ... the West no longer believes in the nobility of the origins but in the notion that civilisation arises out of barbarism, religion from superstition, man from animal (Darwin), thought from matter, and every spiritual form from the 'sublimation' or transposition of the stuff that originates the instinct, libido, complexes....(Freud. Jung)..." & "The true and essential origin of man is to be found elsewhere, in superior races who, already in prehistoric ages, possessed a civilisation of limited material development but of notable extremely elevated spiritual content, so much so as to be symbolically designated remembrances of all peoples, as 'divine races', as races of 'god-like men." (- Julius Evola, revolt against the modern world). "The Origin of the Species [Evolution] is at the root of man's present attitude to himself and the universe: no one book since the Summa of Thomas Aquinas has made a comparable impact." (- JW Burrow/Penguin/Pelican classics.) "Methinks, O king, the life of man is as a sparrow's flight through your lighted hall, with its warm fire on the hearth, but the icy rain outside. The bird flies in at one door, tarries for a minute in the light and warmth, then flying forth at the other, vainishes into the wintry darkness. So is the life of man in our sight. We know not what is before it nor after it. If this new teaching tells us anything, let us follow it." - A white-headed old noble to Edwin of Northumbria at/before/in the witan. "As above so below". |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 15:57
| Are we commenting our belives or Bible's creation act!Even if i grow up in church yard,was an oltar boy on Eastern cause priest's son was my best friend,I am a free mind thinker with scientific approach.What is subject of this topic?Our beleives or Bible's creation explanation?!? |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 17:48
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This is a prime example of why I'm an agnostic. You people cannot even agree within your own religion. Religion is a belief system. It is not fact. Please keep that uppermost in your minds while arguing about who "created" what, where, when and why. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 18:06
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For Toyo's eyes only:
Spaso Den=Existing-Presentable sky-heaven is in-housed by Divine Mother.
Existing-Present sky-heaven in-houses Divine Mother.
This is sky-heaven on Goddess chests:
God is axiom!On creation day Zodiac signs(Sky) were in-housed on Her chests&vise versa.Period.
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 18:23
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This day is always 40 days after Eastern.I beleive Eastern was conciliated with old religion creation day.After God had been born&resurrected,creation followed it.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sr&u=sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%25A1%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B0%25D1%2581%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD&prev=/search?q%3Dspasovdan%26espv%3D210%26es_sm%3D93%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D639 - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sr&u=sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%25A1%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B0%25D1%2581%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD&prev=/search?q%3Dspasovdan%26espv%3D210%26es_sm%3D93%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D639
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 06:35
I know that I said I was opting out of this discussion, but one parting question for my protagonists.
First, a quotation:-
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, ... ".
This was after he slew his brother Abel. And while in the Land of Nod, Cain, "took for himself a wife".
Whoa there!!
Adam and Eve = the first human beings on earth, created by God.
Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel.
Soooooooooo, when Cain went into the Land of Nod and took for himself a wife, she had to have been other than human, n'est–ce pas? ------------- |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 10:31
Ah ha!! Aliens!!! ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 14:04
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there are possible answers to Cains wife:
if Adam & Eve were only humans then : humans didn't have gene/inbreeding problems then so he married a sister (some versions reckon there was a dispute that he wanted to marry his own twins sister not his brothers twin sister). Various cultures like Egyptians had (half) brother-sister marriage. otherwise there is possibility they weren't the only humans. some say there was 2 creations on 6th & 8th day. some say "Adam" is not a single man but people. Some myths like sumerian have Adam/Adapa as leader of men. Abel's "blood" is plural implying potential descendents (so they must have had potential wives). People disagree in all religions or politics or philosophy or history etc, anyway it is outsiders disputing it not insiders. sorry medenaywe i didn't understand the topics/threads meaning from the title or from all the posts, i just commented on what thoughts/ideas came to mind from various peoples posts. Is goddess D(a)ena possibly related to Diana? Medenaywe's posts are very interesting. mountainman: it is not quite right to say it is just a belief not fact. Some of believe what we do because of evidences from history & science & experience etc. Evolution/etc is also a belief/religion not just "facts" |
Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 15:48
so you think that humans are the result of a permanent incest in the first generations? And there were other creations? Why weren't they mentioned? |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 16:16
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I am waiting!Why!"Vampires" are mentioned inside Bible but for humans there was no ink!
NOTE:Official Goddess is Artemide.It is one of many presentations and names of Great Mother!
It depends what are your expectation from Goddess&vise versa:Diana-Artemide-Isis...they are the same.
Human-Sacrificial brat is predicted by tranquil-peaceful Deity!
Human-Sacrificial brat predicts tranquil-peaceful Deity!=Artemide
DiANa=Diana=Pleased-Satisfactory victim-human being is proposed-offered by Diana.
Pleased-Satisfactory victim-human being proposes-offers Diana.
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 19:09
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Red Clay:
Ah ha!! Aliens!!!
Can't be ruled out!! ------------- |